November 24 14:37, Florian Apolloner
>
> I am pretty much against setuptools and given that pip is somewhat 
> becoming the defacto-standard to install stuff
>

I completely agree to this. And setuptools is an important part of pip... 
In fact, pip has a strong dependency on setuptools, and automagically 
translates calls to distutils to setuptools to get stuff to work. [1]

November 24 14:55, Donald Stufft
>
> The recommended build tool at the moment is setuptools.
>

I agree with this guy! This is very much true outside of Django. See [2] 
for instance...

November 24 18:58, waylan
>
> Of course, on unix based systems we all use virtualenv. There are a few 
> windows virtualenv clones implemented for windows either as batch scripts 
> or powershell scripts. You might want to look into those.


Virtualenv, as in the official tool distributed on virtualenv.org, works 
completely fine on Windows. And of course we use it, in pretty much the 
same way we do on UNIX-like systems, with Django as well as anything else. 
Except that, while other packages work, the django-admin.py tool doesn't.


It seems to me that you are misrepresenting the current state of Python's 
packaging libraries and installation tools, and not only on Windows (see my 
first point). I understand that, for a project as big and important as 
Django, changes in packaging can't be done lightly, especially when they 
only seem to benefit these annoying Windows users; however I really can't 
find sense in the arguments you are presenting here. Of course, you'll do 
as you please, and as you seem to think this discussion has nothing to do 
on django-developers I'll go away (but I'll keep using my patch).

Thanks again for your continued work
Remram

[1] 
http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/logic.html#setuptools-pkg-resources
[2] 
https://python-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/current.html#installation-tool-recommendations

PS: I apologize for the delayed response as I was travelling

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