We should at least update those Trac and Triage Workflow docs to point to both, maybe with the Forum first?
Andrew On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, at 12:30 AM, Carlton Gibson wrote: > I'm trying to begin new conversations there where I can. > > The main issue is that we're still pointing people here from Trac and the > Triage Workflow docs — so if there's a rough "Yeah, let's do it" we can > adjust practice there. > > I expect there will always be the "How do I start?" posts. The Forum at least > has a pinned post for that. ... > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 01:04, 'Kye Russell' via Django developers > (Contributions to Django itself) <django-developers@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I find that the signal-to-noise ratio on this mailing list is (by my >> determination) quite bad around this time of year. >> >> Is a move to the forum still on the cards? >> >> Kye >> On 6 Dec 2022 at 7:16 AM +0800, Andrew Godwin <and...@aeracode.org>, wrote: >> >>> I did some investigation of moving django-users and django-developers to >>> the Forum right after DjangoCon; I wanted to see if we could import all the >>> old posts too, which we probably could, but I'm not entirely sure of the >>> utility of that. >>> >>> I will say that the forum is a lot easier to moderate - the ability to >>> moderate after a post has gone out, rather than gating all posts behind >>> approval if they're untrusted, is a big step in itself, not to mention the >>> ability to remove sensitive or offensive content once it's posted. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 10:01:17 PM UTC-7 m...@kye.id.au wrote: >>>> IMO django-announce and django-updates serve a very different purpose and >>>> I would be against moving them if it were suggested. >>>> >>>> I am incredibly strongly in favour of moving django-developers and >>>> django-users to the forums. IMO being able to more easily trap people >>>> misusing this list as a tech support channel is itself reason enough to >>>> move. Beyond that, I’d argue that the plentiful UX issues with Google >>>> Groups, and mailing lists in general, certainly don’t do the community any >>>> favours in terms of getting more people on board. >>>> >>>> Kye >>>> >>>> On 28 Nov 2022 at 11:40 PM +0800, 'Tobias McNulty' via Django developers >>>> (Contributions to Django itself) <django-d...@googlegroups.com>, wrote: >>>>> As someone who only just joined the forum -- I'm +1: >>>>> * The forum has seen great adoption from what I can tell (nearly half >>>>> the number of posts as django-developers during the same time period, not >>>>> bad given the mailing list's head start in subscribers). >>>>> * It seems beneficial to house future conversations in a single place, >>>>> e.g., so members don't need to subscribe to both the mailing list and >>>>> forum to get the full picture of current active development, set up two >>>>> different sets of mail filters to tag things appropriately, etc... >>>>> Would the plan be to switch django-users as well? I think similar >>>>> arguments could be made for consolidating those... >>>>> >>>>> (On the other hand, I see little value in switching django-announce and >>>>> django-updates, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either, especially >>>>> if there's a way to import the subscribers to those lists...) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> *Tobias McNulty *Chief Executive Officer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> tob...@caktusgroup.com >>>>> www.caktusgroup.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM Carlton Gibson <carlton...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hey Roger, >>>>>> >>>>>> Indeed it does. You can set up Email Mode (that may not be the actual >>>>>> name) and it’ll work just like a mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can also subscribe to just a particular category, so the Internals >>>>>> one would map to the discussion on this list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 28 November 2022, Roger Gammans <rgam...@gammascience.co.uk> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't speak for others, but I personally STRONGLY value the fact that >>>>>>> this discussion happens in my inbox, not on yet another website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But perhaps the forum still supports this reading mode? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 05:38 -0800, Carlton Gibson wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given the issues with Tom's access to the mailing list here, and the >>>>>>>> fact that the Forum has been active for a few years now, and is a >>>>>>>> great success, I'd like to revisit whether we can move on-mass (all >>>>>>>> few of us :) over there? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We'd enjoy the benefits of a much nicer system. We'd not have issues >>>>>>>> such as the current, and we'd be one less item in the pocket of a >>>>>>>> mega-corp. (You can rank those as you will :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Initially when this can up (a long time ago) Andrew and Tom discussed >>>>>>>> whether we could import the history here into the forum. I think >>>>>>>> that's unnecessary. We can still access the history here (until such a >>>>>>>> day as Google takes it away) at worst -- but, rather, if we can get an >>>>>>>> archive we could import it into read-only Datasette instance[0] — and >>>>>>>> that would likely be good enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can we move now? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carlton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [0]: I'd happily do this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to django-develop...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/101f4e6d-9b83-47ab-bb1b-b571402e037dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/101f4e6d-9b83-47ab-bb1b-b571402e037dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to django-develop...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/4a329eadd5606c2f94aa5638e079800f1914d0d7.camel%40gammascience.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/4a329eadd5606c2f94aa5638e079800f1914d0d7.camel%40gammascience.co.uk?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to django-develop...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJwKpyTSfF51C6ejog0xMd_6s-DofOUT4yaTeWmoc5SEiTY8jQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJwKpyTSfF51C6ejog0xMd_6s-DofOUT4yaTeWmoc5SEiTY8jQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to django-develop...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAMGFDKSKe7ZDDwiaBpKtsU0z582K482PFsSpNfTLSvb2B-L95A%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAMGFDKSKe7ZDDwiaBpKtsU0z582K482PFsSpNfTLSvb2B-L95A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/60a05b93-e297-48ee-9bb1-4dcf54d76c64n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/60a05b93-e297-48ee-9bb1-4dcf54d76c64n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/dfe142b6-c535-458e-8eeb-b65c0fad951c%40Spark >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/dfe142b6-c535-458e-8eeb-b65c0fad951c%40Spark?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJwKpySNRUkhxN1N80LxQaf49HJacLUf6EO16akeH2bNQr6q6g%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJwKpySNRUkhxN1N80LxQaf49HJacLUf6EO16akeH2bNQr6q6g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. 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