RE: Can we move the activity on this list to the Forum now?

Arthur Rio Wed, 03 May 2023 22:19:56 -0700

Yes please!

On May 3, 2023 at 11:19:12 PM, jure.erznoz...@gmail.com (
jure.erznoz...@gmail.com) wrote:

*From:* django-developers@googlegroups.com <
django-developers@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *natali...@gmail.com
*Sent:* sreda, 03. maj 2023 20:10
*To:* Django developers (Contributions to Django itself) <
django-developers@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Can we move the activity on this list to the Forum now?

Hello everyone!

I was wondering if we could make a decision about this topic. On the one
hand, and as far as I understand, the forum is the preferred channel of
communication. On the other hand, having multiple channels of communication
can spread important discussions too thin, making it difficult to have
productive conversations in one place.

As a newcomer to the contributing community, I can attest that the current
situation causes some confusion. IMHO, the same applies to the chat
options: there is IRC and the Discord server (though perhaps I should start
a new forum topic about that in order to keep decisions separated).

In summary, I'm +1 to "move on-mass (all few of us :) over there"!

Thank you!

Natalia.

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 10:07:36 AM UTC-3 Alex Krupp wrote:

I just submitted a proposal to create a Discourse plugin to improve the
accuracy of their inbound email parsing. This would enable two things:

- Folks who prefer to live in their inbox could continue to do so and
contribute by just replying to emails. Discourse currently has
reply-by-email, but it often mangles formatting and/or entirely deletes
text. Once these issues are fixed, folks who like the current experience
would be able to just pretend the forum doesn't exist and continue having
the same experience as they currently have with Google Groups.
- Right now importing the archives from Google Groups into Discourse
isn't realistic for the same reasons; some messages will import correctly,
but others will be mangled or missing text. This would also be made
possible.

If this is something you care about (positively or negatively), here is the
exploratory proposal:

https://meta.discourse.org/t/proposed-plugin-to-improve-reply-by-email-accuracy/252944

Any feedback and/or testing would be much appreciated! Right now Discourse
recognizes that this is a problem and is interested in solving it, but
getting it prioritized will require folks to A) speak up saying they want
it done B) test the underlying API to verify that it actually solves the
problem.

Alex

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 2:24 AM Carlton Gibson <carlton...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK, I've updated the Trac wiki page to point to the forum too. (We use this
as a wiki-link in responses to guide folk onwards.)

The docs have a `|django-developers|` shortcut used in quite a few places
so that needs a moment more to review and adjust.

(I'll look at it soon-ish... — if no-one beats me to it :)

Thanks.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 18:15, Andrew Godwin <and...@aeracode.org> wrote:

We should at least update those Trac and Triage Workflow docs to point to
both, maybe with the Forum first?

Andrew

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, at 12:30 AM, Carlton Gibson wrote:

I'm trying to begin new conversations there where I can.

The main issue is that we're still pointing people here from Trac and the
Triage Workflow docs — so if there's a rough "Yeah, let's do it" we can
adjust practice there.

I expect there will always be the "How do I start?" posts. The Forum at
least has a pinned post for that. ...

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 01:04, 'Kye Russell' via Django developers
(Contributions to Django itself) <django-d...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I find that the signal-to-noise ratio on this mailing list is (by my
determination) quite bad around this time of year.

Is a move to the forum still on the cards?

Kye

On 6 Dec 2022 at 7:16 AM +0800, Andrew Godwin <and...@aeracode.org>, wrote:

I did some investigation of moving django-users and django-developers to
the Forum right after DjangoCon; I wanted to see if we could import all the
old posts too, which we probably could, but I'm not entirely sure of the
utility of that.

I will say that the forum is a lot easier to moderate - the ability to
moderate after a post has gone out, rather than gating all posts behind
approval if they're untrusted, is a big step in itself, not to mention the
ability to remove sensitive or offensive content once it's posted.

Andrew

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 10:01:17 PM UTC-7 m...@kye.id.au wrote:

IMO django-announce and django-updates serve a very different purpose and I
would be against moving them if it were suggested.

I am incredibly strongly in favour of moving django-developers and
django-users to the forums. IMO being able to more easily trap people
misusing this list as a tech support channel is itself reason enough to
move. Beyond that, I’d argue that the plentiful UX issues with Google
Groups, and mailing lists in general, certainly don’t do the community any
favours in terms of getting more people on board.

Kye

On 28 Nov 2022 at 11:40 PM +0800, 'Tobias McNulty' via Django developers
(Contributions to Django itself) <django-d...@googlegroups.com>, wrote:

As someone who only just joined the forum -- I'm +1:

- The forum has seen great adoption from what I can tell (nearly half
the number of posts as django-developers during the same time period, not
bad given the mailing list's head start in subscribers).
- It seems beneficial to house future conversations in a single place,
e.g., so members don't need to subscribe to both the mailing list and forum
to get the full picture of current active development, set up two different
sets of mail filters to tag things appropriately, etc...

Would the plan be to switch django-users as well? I think similar arguments
could be made for consolidating those...

(On the other hand, I see little value in switching django-announce and
django-updates, but I'm not necessarily opposed to it either, especially if
there's a way to import the subscribers to those lists...)

Cheers,

*Tobias McNulty*Chief Executive Officer

tob...@caktusgroup.com

www.caktusgroup.com

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 9:05 AM Carlton Gibson <carlton...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Roger,

Indeed it does. You can set up Email Mode (that may not be the actual name)
and it’ll work just like a mailing list.

You can also subscribe to just a particular category, so the Internals one
would map to the discussion on this list.

On Monday, 28 November 2022, Roger Gammans <rgam...@gammascience.co.uk>
wrote:

I can't speak for others, but I personally STRONGLY value the fact that
this discussion happens in my inbox, not on yet another website.

But perhaps the forum still supports this reading mode?

On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 05:38 -0800, Carlton Gibson wrote:

Hi all.

Given the issues with Tom's access to the mailing list here, and the fact
that the Forum has been active for a few years now, and is a great success,
I'd like to revisit whether we can move on-mass (all few of us :) over
there?

We'd enjoy the benefits of a much nicer system. We'd not have issues such
as the current, and we'd be one less item in the pocket of a mega-corp.
(You can rank those as you will :)

Initially when this can up (a long time ago) Andrew and Tom discussed
whether we could import the history here into the forum. I think that's
unnecessary. We can still access the history here (until such a day as
Google takes it away) at worst -- but, rather, if we can get an archive we
could import it into read-only Datasette instance[0] — and that would
likely be good enough.

Can we move now?

Thanks.

Kind Regards,

Carlton

[0]: I'd happily do this.

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