> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 1:06 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [dkim-ops] hammering with a soldering iron, was subdomain
vs.
> cousin domain
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:dkim-ops-
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Hector Santos
> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:58 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [dkim-ops] hammering with a soldering iron, was
subdomain
> > vs. cousin domain
> >
> > No Murray. But perhaps someone should be because the responsibility
is
> > now once again shifted from the passive 3rd party signer back to the
> > visible 1st party 8222.From equal d= domain transaction.  As far as
> > the potential millions of potential receivers are concern, the
Author
> > Domain is once again responsible for signing the message.
> 
> And rightly so, in this scenario.  But even if it's a visible
third-party
> delegation, now the From: is associated with a third-party and a bad
> signature.  Are you saying that's better?  If so, based on what?
> 
> > Worst, when the signature fails, the wrong domain brand and unknown
> > reputation scoring across receivers is negatively hurt.
> 
> That would be a poor implementation.  A failed signature is supposed
to be
> treated as no signature.
> 

Murray, 

I think your last comment is perhaps the most interesting one. As John
Levine frequently reminds us as he invokes King Canute, we cannot tell
receivers what to do. I don't know if this association exists, but if
receivers find an association between failed signatures and malicious
email I can just about guarantee you that they will take advantage of
that data point..... Regardless of what the standard says. Bottom line,
a failed signature will be treated in accordance with those things that
a failed signature is perceived to be associated with.

I don't know if we got it "right" in saying how a failed signature
should be treated. Only time will tell.

Mike

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