Scott Kitterman wrote:

> To
> the extent ARC is useful to mitigate the DMARC mailing list issue, it's only
> useful with additional data inputs that are not public and are not feasible
> for small providers to generate on their own.

I meant to ask earlier: would you level the same criticism at SMTP, given that 
running a useful mail-receiving-server without a solid DNSBL is now 
more-or-less infeasible? Does the fact that Spamhaus is already available free 
of charge to all of the small guys change this analysis?

Perhaps the fact that SMTP was developed at a time that abuse was not 
widespread gives it a free pass on this front? Presumably you don't argue that, 
*because* we're already in a high-abuse environment we should therefore cease 
collaboration on any class of solution which happens to require more data than 
is either:
(a) feasible for small guys to process usefully, or
(b) available to small guys at all?

Would the public availability from a trustworthy source of data that makes it 
possible to use ARC to decide when to override DMARC policies[1] change your 
position?

- Roland

1: I *don't* believe that this would take the form of a whitelist. It's more 
like the ability to recognise changes in baseline behaviour by forwarders who 
may or may not be ARC signing. I suspect that John Levine's concerns about 
whitelists have some strength.
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