On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 06:02:31 AM Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss wrote: > Scott Kitterman wrote: > >> Roland Turner wrote: > >> > >> This is just a diffusion process, not an exclusion of smaller players. > >> Indeed, it would almost appear that you'd be happier if the big guys had > >> excluded smaller players from this initiative... > > > > Until maybe someday the results of the analysis to use ARC are somehow > > available, they have. > > All diffusion looks like this. > > The "one size fits all" mentality gave us the lost decade. Recognising that > differently-situated practitioners need different things and developing a > range of tools/protocols/etc. to suit the range of needs (most of which > will be not useful for most practitioners) is not merely more effective, it > currently appears to be the only way forward. > > The use of an open standard (which I am in favor of and > > this is good), doesn't materially change that. If I can write code to > > implement a standard, but don't have the necessary inputs to use it, it's > > not particularly of use. > > "not particularly of use to Scott" != "not useful". > > This is of course a different question to the one about whether/how to > involve yourself, more below. > > Personally, I try to consider putting my time where either I'll benefit > > Eminently sensible, I do the same. > > > or I think the global Internet will benefit. > > Likewise, and so here's the challenge: the big guys hardening their part of > the environment against criminals doesn't merely improve life for the big > guys (e.g. by shifting criminals' focus elsewhere), they are so big that > they are materially altering the economics in a way that makes crime less > profitable and therefore less likely than it would otherwise be. This > directly benefits the global Internet in a way that a > batteries-included-but-less-impactful approach could not, even assuming > that such an approach exists (are you aware of one?). > > Do you really mean "or", or do you actually mean "and"? We are talking about > an initiative that, if successful, will materially benefit the global > Internet, even though you personally will not be able wield the resulting > tool for some time, or possibly even ever (unlikely, but possible). Do you > support it anyway? > > (A less charitable interpretation is that your concern is merely resentment > or envy of large organisations. Presumably this is not correct.)
No. Not at all. I do mean 'or'. I quite routinely invest time in things to make the Internet work better that don't personally benefit me. Obviously the greater the personal and systemic benefit the greater my motivation, but I certainly have and do work on things that don't help me in any way proportionate to the time I invest in it. Along with the good things you (quite reasonably) describe, there will also be an increased tendency towards concentration of power in a few hands. Personally, I think that's a bad thing. Your previous message in this thread captured my concern very nicely. Thanks, Scott K _______________________________________________ dmarc-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://www.dmarc.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc-discuss NOTE: Participating in this list means you agree to the DMARC Note Well terms (http://www.dmarc.org/note_well.html)
