----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[email protected]>
> To: "Barry Leiba" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Dave Crocker" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:33:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.
> 
> Barry Leiba writes:
> 
>  > But the more important point is that you're presupposing that the
>  > changes are "better",
> 
> Yes and no.  Obviously, if it is impossible to improve the MUAs,
> there's no point in discussing it.  In that sense, I have to presume
> that improvements exist.  That doesn't mean I assume I know what they
> are, or that any of the examples I gave are better.
> 
> On the Mailman lists today, one postmaster posted that he is observing
> a surge in AOL-spoofing phishing this week, with AOL screen names in
> the display name and some other address as the actual From: mailbox.
> The abusers seem to have access to contact lists, as often the
> addressee is acquainted with the AOL screen name.  I don't see how
> DMARC can help deal with that -- unless it cooperates with the MUA.
> 
We know that the display name abuse is something that need to be tackled. We 
should not recommend to put anything that looks like a domain name in the 
display part, cause eventually we will put a rule to dump emails with such 
property.

I think also, MTA have become more strict, they know expect one and one only 
From header, with a Date header, and a few extra... to follow more strictly the 
RFCs.

DMARC do not talk about invalid messages, because they should not even make it 
to DMARC evaluation in the first instance.

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