On 6/25/2020 1:54 AM, David I wrote:
Without forcing alignment to 'From', an attacker can set their own 'Sender', 
set a 'From' they're not entitled to use that's of a trusted contact, and the 
DMARC associated with the abused domain in the 'From' has no effect and can't 
be used for filtering. So while you could so a similar filter on Sender, it 
wouldn't be as useful, and would provide less security benefit.

Why is it useful in the From:?  Seriously.

Since the utility of DMARC has nothing to do with recipient end-user decision-making, why is DMARC's use of From: automatically better than having DMARC use Sender:?

Attackers do all sorts of bad things.  Some of those bad things don't actually matter.  They might be unauthorized, ill-intended, and even make you or me uncomfortable. But they don't actually have any effect on getting bad mail delivered to recipients nor an effect on those recipients.  Bad actors try all sorts of stuff.

So pointing out what an attacker might or will do doesn't end the argument.  What matters is the /effect/ of their actions, not the theory of their actions.


I suspect that very little -- if any -- of the current use of DMARC relies on an
end-user's address book.

It's definitely the case that there are popular email services doing 
filtering/alerting based on addressbooks/known contacts, and I'm confident that 
DMARC's ability to force use of cousin/alternative domains makes this more 
effective.

I did not say that address books are not used in some filtering work.

I said that I doubted that it is relevant to DMARC use.  Feel free to document counter-examples.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
bbiw.net

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