> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmarc <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Levine
> Sent: 25 June 2020 20:13
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] What if... Sender:
>
> In article
> <[email protected]
> .PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
> David I  <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Without forcing alignment to 'From', an attacker can set their own
> >'Sender', set a 'From' they're not entitled to use that's of a trusted
> >contact, and the DMARC associated with the abused domain in the 'From'
> has no effect and can't be used for filtering. So while you could so a similar
> filter on Sender, it wouldn't be as useful, and would provide less security
> benefit.
>
> It sounds like you're making the common mistake of confusing "DMARC
> aligned" with "not phish" or "not spam". What would you do with a DMARC
> aligned message with this From header?
>
>   From: Security Alert <[email protected]>
>
> (The correct answer is bury it deep in the phish tank.  Crooks can do DMARC
> alignment, too.)

Indeed, I would do that. I would also be grateful for the DMARC policy on 
paypal.com for forcing the attacker to use a cousin domain that can be easily 
detected as not legitimate, raising the cost to the attacker, and make the 
filtering easier/more accurate.

David
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