On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 2:32:12 PM EST John Levine wrote:
> It appears that Scott Kitterman  <[email protected]> said:
> >>> What definition are you wondering why we didn't stick to?
> >>
> >>Real non-existence.  I'm not sure how to define it formally, ...
> 
> The DNS has had a formal definition of non-existence for over 30
> years. You look up a name, if it returns records or NOERROR it exists,
> if it returns NXDOMAIN it doesn't. There is no reason for us to invent
> something new and incompatible.
> 
> >I don't remember exactly why we settled on A/ AAAA/ MX, but the lack of a
> >clear, actionable definition is why we included one.
> See above.  I don't remember where the text in A.4 came from, but it is
> wrong. If we are telling people to test whether a domain exists, they
> should do it the way the DNS does it.  The correct test happens to be
> cheaper than A.4, one query rather than three.

Fair enough.  I can't remember why we thought RFC 8020[1] wasn't adequate when 
we did RFC 9091.  I think we should modify the DMARC text to just refer to it.

Scott K

[1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8020.txt


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