On Thursday, August 4, 2022 4:50:20 PM EDT John R. Levine wrote:
> > I think that Ale's expression that he had difficulty understanding the
> > description of the tree walk as written is a strong sign we still need
> > to improve the language.  Of the people involved in this specific
> > discussion, as far as I know, he's the only one who's first language
> > isn't English.  That's true for most of the people in the world, so I
> > don't think we can call it quite done.
> 
> I took a look at the description ot the tree walk in section 4.6 and I
> didn't see anything to change.  I suppose we could add a sentence at the
> top of the section reiterating some of the discussion in 4.4 that you do
> tree walks on two domains to see if they are in relaxed alignment, or that
> you do a tree walk on the RFC5322.From domain to find its policy domain,
> but those seem marginal.
> 
> What Ale seemed to be asking for was something saying these aren't zone
> cuts and it's not the PSL.  I don't think that would be a good idea.  The
> list of things we are not doing is unlimited, and mentioning some of them
> just leads to questions about if you're not doing them, why did you
> mention them?
> 
> I'd really like to find someone who's implemented DMARC and isn't on this
> list, and see what they think.  Do we know the people who maintain rspamd?

I don't.

His proposal addressed two logically unrelated things in the same part of the 
text.  Re zone cuts, I agree.  I don't think there's anything left to discuss 
on it.

I was attempting to focus back on making the text describing the tree walk 
clearer, which is why I pointed back to the discussion we were having right 
before the meeting.

Specifically, see the attached rfcdiff (based on the current markdown on 
GitHub) 
of the suggested rewrite of the tree walk section as updated by msk's 
comments.  I don't think it changes anything technically, but I think it goes 
some way to address Ale's concerns about clarity.

Scott K

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