On April 18, 2023 10:25:00 PM UTC, Jim Fenton <fen...@bluepopcorn.net> wrote: >On 9 Apr 2023, at 11:33, Barry Leiba wrote: > >> There is an alternative, though: we can acknowledge that because of how >> those deploying DMARC view their needs over interoperability, DMARC is not >> appropriate as an IETF standard, and we abandon the effort to make it >> Proposed Standard. >> >> I see that as the only way forward if we cannot address the damage that >> improperly deployed DMARC policies do to mailing lists. > >Unfortunately, much of the world outside IETF sees an RFC number and assumes >Standards Track. We have RFC 7489, which is Informational, which then resulted >in a mandate [1] for all executive-branch US Government domains to publish >p=reject. I have to believe that they thought it was Standards Track when they >did this. > >-Jim > >[1] https://cyber.dhs.gov/assets/report/bod-18-01.pdf It's not just in the US either. That said, I don't think we should throw up our hands and go home. I think what we have so far is enough improvement over RFC 7489 that it's worth getting published. I also think we can appropriately describe the interoperability impacts associated with DMARC in a useful way that will provide overall benefits, even though we don't have it solved. Scott K _______________________________________________ dmarc mailing list dmarc@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Jesse Thompson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Mark Alley
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Mark Alley
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Matthäus Wander
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Matthäus Wander
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Proposed text for p=reject and indire... Laura Atkins