On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> 
> 
> On April 28, 2023 2:25:57 AM UTC, Jesse Thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, at 9:30 AM, Brotman, Alex wrote:
> >> Attempt to make it a tad more concise (I think), altering some of the 
> >> language:
> >> 
> >> ---------------------
> >> There can be inherent damage to the ability to use certain SMTP-based 
> >> systems in conjunction with a policy of quarantine or reject.  These could 
> >> include, though are not limited to, mailing lists, forwarding services, 
> >> and other types of indirect mail flows.  Especially in situations where 
> >> the sending domain is SPF-only, or the intermediary is known to alter 
> >> messages.  If the users of the domain may utilize these types of systems, 
> >> the domain administrator MUST NOT deploy a policy of quarantine or reject 
> >> without serious considerations to the impact to interoperability.  These 
> >> considerations will be informed by careful analysis of DMARC aggregate 
> >> reports prior to deploying such a policy.  Some third-party systems may be 
> >> willing to create a workaround for these situations, though it cannot be 
> >> guaranteed.  Domain owners MAY choose to create a sub-domain 
> >> (listmail.example.org) or cousin domain (listmail-example.org) which uses 
> >> a different policy for users wishing to utilize those service
> s.
> >> ---------------------
> >
> >I like this, and it gives room for best common practices to evolve that 
> >don't necessarily conflict.
> >
> >s/
> >    Especially in situations where the sending domain is SPF-only, or the 
> > intermediary is known to alter messages.  If the users of the domain may 
> > utilize these types of systems, the domain administrator MUST NOT deploy
> >/
> >    For situations where the sending domain is not DKIM signing all of its 
> > traffic in an aligned fashion or there is legitimate use of an intermediary 
> > known to alter messages, the domain administrator MUST NOT deploy
> >/x
> 
> I think most of this would be good in a non-normative appendix.  For my 
> immediate purpose, I'm imagining that in addition to the [adjective] domain, 
> there would need to be an amplification of [adjective] that would explain 
> exactly what we mean by [adjective] and what actions a domain owner might 
> take in order to be [not adjective].
> 
> I don't think it's formally part of the protocol, but it's quite important.

+1
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