As Chair: Consensus was already called. Todd just wants the wording consistent in the document. There's no need for another decision here.
On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 4:36 PM Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote: > Right, I understand that view, but since the chairs have already stepped > back on this issue, who should make that call? > > Scott K > > On February 29, 2024 9:26:42 PM UTC, Seth Blank <seth= > [email protected]> wrote: > >It was already resolved, Todd's point is that the text in 7.6 was never > >updated to match, which was a mistake he wants to fix transparently. > > > >On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 4:04 PM Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> > >wrote: > > > >> I think it ought to be resolved by the same AD that made the consensus > >> call. > >> > >> Scott K > >> > >> On February 29, 2024 8:58:21 PM UTC, Dotzero <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >I agree that the rough consensus landed on "SHOULD NOT" even though > there > >> >were some who felt "MUST NOT" was "purer". I was one of those who > >> >(reluctantly) supported "SHOULD NOT". Todd is simply trying to get > >> >consistency within the document to match the outcome that there was > rough > >> >agreement on. That is the new issue he is opening and not rehashing the > >> >previously closed issue. > >> > > >> >Hopefully the chairs will rule on this so we don't have a previous > issue > >> >reopened during last call. > >> > > >> >Michael Hammer > >> > > >> >On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:53 PM Seth Blank <seth= > >> >[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I thought we landed on SHOULD NOT, there was strong resistance to > MUST > >> NOT > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:48 PM Scott Kitterman < > [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Okay. I think 8.6 is the one in error. You see how this is going > to > >> go, > >> >>> right? > >> >>> > >> >>> Scott K > >> >>> > >> >>> On February 29, 2024 7:45:15 PM UTC, Todd Herr <todd.herr= > >> >>> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >It is not my intent here to relitigate any issues. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Rather, I believe that the text in 7.6 is wrong, likely due to an > >> >>> oversight > >> >>> >on my part when the new text in 8.6 was published, and I just want > to > >> >>> >confirm that 7.6 is indeed wrong. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:10 PM Scott Kitterman < > [email protected] > >> > > >> >>> >wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >> In what way is this a new issue that has not already been argued > to > >> >>> death > >> >>> >> in the WG? I think for WGLC, we've already done this. We will, > no > >> >>> doubt > >> >>> >> get to have this conversation during the IETF last call, but for > the > >> >>> >> working group, this strikes me as exactly the type of > relitigation > >> of > >> >>> >> issues we've been counseled to avoid. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Scott K > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On February 29, 2024 6:54:57 PM UTC, Todd Herr <todd.herr= > >> >>> >> [email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >> >Colleagues, > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >I've been reading DMARCbic rev -30 today with a plan to collect > the > >> >>> first > >> >>> >> >set of minor edits and I came across a sentence that I believe > goes > >> >>> beyond > >> >>> >> >minor, so wanted to get a sanity check. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >Section 7.6, Domain Owner Actions, ends with the following > >> sentence: > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >In particular, this document makes explicit that domains for > >> >>> >> >general-purpose email MUST NOT deploy a DMARC policy of > p=reject. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >I don't believe this to be true, however. Rather, Section 8.6, > >> >>> >> >Interoperability Considerations, says SHOULD NOT on the topic > >> (e.g., > >> >>> "It > >> >>> >> is > >> >>> >> >therefore critical that domains that host users who might post > >> >>> messages to > >> >>> >> >mailing lists SHOULD NOT publish p=reject") > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> >Section 7.6 therefore should be updated to read "domains for > >> >>> >> >general-purpose email SHOULD NOT deploy a DMARC policy of > >> p=reject", > >> >>> yes? > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> >> dmarc mailing list > >> >>> >> [email protected] > >> >>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc > >> >>> >> > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> dmarc mailing list > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> > >> >> *Seth Blank * | Chief Technology Officer > >> >> *e:* [email protected] > >> >> *p:* > >> >> > >> >> This email and all data transmitted with it contains confidential > and/or > >> >> proprietary information intended solely for the use of individual(s) > >> >> authorized to receive it. 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