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-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Norman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 13:40 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Posting Music on Web Thanks for the info, Anyone know where i can get a copy of Dreamweaver, or how much if i actually have to buy it? Laters Dan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 04:59 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Posting Music on Web Hi Dan, As for software, I'd recommend Macromedia's Dreamweaver, as it's quick and easy to use and keeps web pages pretty consistant (against say MS Frontpage, where the webpages come out totally different from the way it looked when you designed them...). With a decent connection, it shouldn't take too long to upload Wav's (for breaks) if you zip them. Most of the new versions of Cool Edit, soundforge, etc allow for MP3 conversion, which works pretty well if you want to upload your tracks. I'd really recommend NOT turning breaks into MP 3's though, so that they retain the original quality, and don't loose the top end frequencies. Wav's will be media player compatible (providing they are raw on the site though, rather than zipped...). Have to check on other formats! -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Norman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 13:03 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] Posting Music on Web Hi I might be getting Blue Yonder cable internet free at my house this year (girlfriend works for Telewest as tech consultant, so free internet as a bonus thing), in which case I would happily upload a bucket load of my processed breaks to the net if it didn't take very long and also i will be hopefully posting all my tunes there too so that i can get some feedback. How long does it take to knowck up a basic webpage to allow uploading of music and what software do i need to do this. I have Cool Edit Pro which I understand allows the conversion of Wav or Aiff to MP3 - is this true? Or how do i make sound files compatible with the Windows Media Player so that more people can use the clips? Its something i think would be quite cool, but i haven't got a huge amount of time to spend on it. Any advice? Cheers Dan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 04:35 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... I know what you're saying here. Whilst I think there are some great samples on the Dogs on Acid thread, it would be great to have a site with pure 44.1KHz samples. Whilst having them at this quality takes longer to download, breaks are generally short, and when you zip them it's not too bad. I must say that I've spent so long downloading loads of samples, to find I can only use 1 or 2. Then again, how the hell do you moderate a site that is 100% usefull d'n'b samples? Any ideas....... -----Original Message----- From: Ott "Dzheimz" Karp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 12:43 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... My opinion: if the sound is 11kHZ you cant process it to sound like 44kHZ. 'Could have a littlebit better result with editing loops with those things U mentioned though, but it still remains weak. What I'm aiming is I think that most producers just dont want to upload their "good" sounds to public pages. Any thoughts/suggestions? Peace, Dzheimz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Turbo Hz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... > low quality? > Haven't seen so much quality in ages!!! > > Don't be a lazy ass and process the beats!!! > Most of them are original samples from vinyl, in it's original form (that's > why some sound a bit dull). > But you can do a lot to improve them! what about exciters, compressors... ?? > > That's what the breakbeat science is all about! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ott "Dzheimz" Karp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:02 PM > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... > > > > Thanks You very much for the info, but the breaks there seem to be a bit > > lowquality, what do You think? > > For quality production they are not enough. Is there any "proffessional" > > sites for downloading loops'n'braks? > > > > > > Dzheimz > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jurgen Baute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:52 PM > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > if you want all the classics -and I know you do :) - this is that DOA > > thread with all of > > > em in there > > > > > > > > > http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php?s=d96f979e5e71db7cf d818b7aaca08630& > > threadid=21973 > > > > > > I hope you have Cable or DSL, cause those signatures are getting bigger > by > > the day :) > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > On 8 Jan 2002, at 22:13, Ott "Dzheimz" Karp wrote: > > > > > > > Where to get most pure/quality and basic drumloops and -sounds? All > > those > > > > webpages I've been to do not have them. Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Dzheimz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jurgen Baute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:40 AM > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying I'm an expert actually, but on the amen compo track I > > made > > > > I've used > > > > > Recycle to chop up the amen into exactly 23 seperate wav files, and > > > > reconstructed my > > > > > loops from there in Fruity. > > > > > If I would've done that in SoundForge I'd probably spend hours doing > > just > > > > that, instead > > > > > of minutes. > > > > > > > > > > <plug> > > > > > You can check it out at http://www.groundmotion.com/amencompo > > > > > it's the Obskuras track > > > > > </plug> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > On 19 Dec 2001, at 0:31, Jurgen Baute wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't want to start an argument here, > > > > > > but I see Recycle as a tool to skip all the tedious manual cutting > > you > > > > do in SoundForge. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 99% of the cases Recycle gets it right, and if it doesn't it's > > just a > > > > matter of > > > > > > adjusting the "looppoint", > > > > > > and of course, as you stated, it's a good idea to use hits that > are > > in > > > > the same "loop", or > > > > > > closer together, to keep that magical flow in there. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad a tool like Recycle exists, so I can spend more time with > > the > > > > more fun bits of > > > > > > programming a tune. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, > > > > > > good post!! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2001, at 17:51, Scope - Streetbeats wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the same way most (breaks oriented) producers do it now. > > > > > > > > > > I always cut up breaks in soundforge myself. > > > > > > > 1) its more accurate and MOST importantly > > > > > > > 2) I don't just take the hits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take a drum loop, say two bars in length, and once I've > done > > all > > > > > > > the Direct X/VST plugin magic in soundforge and wavelab......and > > once > > > > > > > ive got it at the right temp.......then in soundforge I'll send > > the > > > > > > > whole loop to sample number 1 say. > > > > > > > Then I'll cut that first beat off, and so the loop is now > shorter > > than > > > > > > > the full two bars, and will now begin from say a hat inbetween > the > > > > first > > > > > > > kick and snare. I'll send that to sample number 2. > > > > > > > Then I'll cut it from the snare onwards, and send this section > to > > > > sample > > > > > > > 3. > > > > > > > Until I get to the end of the loop, the last sample I send over > > should > > > > > > > just be an individual hit, the last one in the loop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do this you ask? Well sure it takes more memory in my > sampler, > > but > > > > > > > memory is cheap, and if you know how to use a sampler well then > > you > > > > make > > > > > > > efficient use of that memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main reason for doing this, is that all of the feeling in a > > break > > > > > > > and the movement in it, the groove if you like is held in the > bits > > > > > > > inbetween the main hits. > > > > > > > Sometimes people refer to these as ghost hits, and if its not > > ghost > > > > hits > > > > > > > then the feeling often just comes from things like the decay > > > > > > > characteristic of the hits. > > > > > > > So the way I use breaks, I have any individual hit I want to > hand, > > > > > > > keymapped. The difference being, if I hold the key down, I get > > more > > > > than > > > > > > > just that hit, but a part of the loop too..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now back in the very first instance, at or before the conception > > of > > > > > > > hardcore and d&b, drum loops would be taken in there entireity, > > time > > > > > > > stretched and laid down straight. > > > > > > > Then as time progressed you could see these loops maybe being > > split > > > > into > > > > > > > a couple of sections etc, and slightly rearranged. > > > > > > > And b4 you know it you have producers like source direct and > > photek > > > > > > > cutting these breaks up as I described above to give you > ultimate > > > > > > > flexibility and re-arranging power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by laying down these various sections of breaks, in different > > > > length > > > > > > > segments or whatever - there are no rules - you can very quickly > > build > > > > > > > up different grooves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you have that groove, you may want to clean it up a little > by > > > > > > > deconstructing any longer sections of loop you are playing on a > > single > > > > > > > note into smaller sections, or even individual hits. > > > > > > > When doing this, the envelope and filter settings in your > sampler > > > > become > > > > > > > crucial in obtaining the same feel as you had whilst just > playing > > a > > > > > > > section of the loop on that one key. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This step is also very important for achieving a fat sound, > > because > > > > you > > > > > > > should have kicks, snares and hats on different channels on the > > desk, > > > > so > > > > > > > you want the hist to be as granular as possible whilst retaing a > > real > > > > > > > groove. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its hard to describe, but quite a simple concept. > > > > > > > A lot of producers I run into who are just getting going will be > > using > > > > > > > recycle or whatever and programming these individual hits, and > the > > > > > > > result often sounds staccato and interupted. > > > > > > > That's what you've got to avoid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that the whole above ranting, is only one part of it, > having > > the > > > > > > > right sound on your breaks is awhole other consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps someone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > Get your FREE Web based email at > > > > > > > http://www.m4jungle.com > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > Streetbeats, Noir, Pi, Z-no > > > > > > > http://www.streetbeats.co.uk > > > > > > > http://www.m4jungle.com > > > > > > > http://www.noir-recordings.com > > > > > > > http://www.pi-recordings.com > > > > > > > http://www.z-no.co.uk > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Carr, Timm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2001 17:26 > > > > > > > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > > Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recycle really does help with the cutting up of sampled breaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > From: Daniel Norman > > > > > > > > Reply To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:34 AM > > > > > > > > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all the stuff about PC conflicts and nastiness, I've got > a > > > > > > > > question on good old beats production. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since peeps here can cast their minds back to stunning tunes > > like > > > > > > > > Source Direct / Oblivion on Streetbeats and basically all the > > Photek > > > > > > > > Productions, DeeJay Recordings (Pete Parsons - genius), deep > > stuff > > > > > > > > etc, etc - i was just wondering if anyone here had ever > managed > > to > > > > > > > > approach their kind of breaks programming. How the f*ck do > they > > do > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only really bought my studio kit to try to make intricate > > breaks > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself like i had always heard from those guys and after 2 yrs > i > > > > know > > > > > > > > what i'm doing, but i can't get my breaks to sound like they > > used to > > > > > > > > in 95.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, I haven't got Recycle for the A3000v2 sampler yet > and > > i'm > > > > > > > > thinking this is where i'm missing out. Can you generally use > > > > Recycle > > > > > > > > to make to beats like on the tunes above. I have processed a > ton > > of > > > > > > > > breaks in Cool Edit Pro, but its during the tune that i can't > > quite > > > > > > > > get them to cut up properly and still sound runnin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using a PII 450, Logic Silver and the Yamaha A3000, > whereas > > I'm > > > > > > > > guessing peeps used to use Ataris and early Macs with Akai > S3000 > > > > > > > > samplers - i know the timing of PCs, Logic and the Yam sampler > > might > > > > > > > > not be so good as the Atari and Akai, but surely thats not the > > whole > > > > > > > > story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking that Recycle/SCSI card might be the ultimate > > > > > > > > solution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be cool, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The Information in this message is confidential > and > > may > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally privileged. 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