Hi, Soz for being OTT, but probably yes, as they are going to forfeit our cable TV and replace it with BYonder...cheap swines
Laters Dan -----Original Message----- From: ANDYGEEZERBLOKE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 January 2002 14:18 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: Posting Music on Web Ez Dan, tell me, (ot) just out of interest, are Telewest still being moody and charging employees for a 2nd digi box, unlike when it was anologue, u got 2 for noubt?!!? ;) ps, free broadband!....jammy bugger! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:02 PM Subject: [dnb-prod] Posting Music on Web > Hi > > I might be getting Blue Yonder cable internet free at my house this year > (girlfriend works for Telewest as tech consultant, so free internet as a > bonus thing), in which case I would happily upload a bucket load of my > processed breaks to the net if it didn't take very long and also i will be > hopefully posting all my tunes there too so that i can get some feedback. > > How long does it take to knowck up a basic webpage to allow uploading of > music and what software do i need to do this. > I have Cool Edit Pro which I understand allows the conversion of Wav or Aiff > to MP3 - is this true? > Or how do i make sound files compatible with the Windows Media Player so > that more people can use the clips? > > Its something i think would be quite cool, but i haven't got a huge amount > of time to spend on it. > > Any advice? > Cheers > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 10 January 2002 04:35 > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden Secret..... > > > I know what you're saying here. Whilst I think there are > some great samples on the Dogs on Acid thread, it would be > great to have a site with pure 44.1KHz samples. Whilst > having them at this quality takes longer to download, breaks > are generally short, and when you zip them it's not too bad. > I must say that I've spent so long downloading loads of > samples, to find I can only use 1 or 2. Then again, how the > hell do you moderate a site that is 100% usefull d'n'b > samples? Any ideas....... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ott "Dzheimz" Karp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 10 January 2002 12:43 > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > Secret..... > > > My opinion: if the sound is 11kHZ you cant process it to > sound like 44kHZ. > 'Could have a littlebit better result with editing loops > with those things U > mentioned though, > but it still remains weak. What I'm aiming is I think that > most producers > just dont want to > upload their "good" sounds to public pages. > Any thoughts/suggestions? > > > Peace, > Dzheimz > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Turbo Hz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:05 PM > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > Secret..... > > > > low quality? > > Haven't seen so much quality in ages!!! > > > > Don't be a lazy ass and process the beats!!! > > Most of them are original samples from vinyl, in it's > original form > (that's > > why some sound a bit dull). > > But you can do a lot to improve them! what about exciters, > compressors... > ?? > > > > That's what the breakbeat science is all about! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ott "Dzheimz" Karp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:02 PM > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > Secret..... > > > > > > > Thanks You very much for the info, but the breaks there > seem to be a bit > > > lowquality, what do You think? > > > For quality production they are not enough. Is there any > "proffessional" > > > sites for downloading loops'n'braks? > > > > > > > > > Dzheimz > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jurgen Baute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:52 PM > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? Hidden > Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if you want all the classics -and I know you do :) - > this is that DOA > > > thread with all of > > > > em in there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php?s=d96f979e5e71db7cf > d818b7aaca08630& > > > threadid=21973 > > > > > > > > I hope you have Cable or DSL, cause those signatures > are getting > bigger > > by > > > the day :) > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > On 8 Jan 2002, at 22:13, Ott "Dzheimz" Karp wrote: > > > > > > > > > Where to get most pure/quality and basic drumloops > and -sounds? All > > > those > > > > > webpages I've been to do not have them. Any > suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > Dzheimz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jurgen Baute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 1:40 AM > > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming -How? > Hidden Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not saying I'm an expert actually, but on the > amen compo track > I > > > made > > > > > I've used > > > > > > Recycle to chop up the amen into exactly 23 > seperate wav files, > and > > > > > reconstructed my > > > > > > loops from there in Fruity. > > > > > > If I would've done that in SoundForge I'd probably > spend hours > doing > > > just > > > > > that, instead > > > > > > of minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > <plug> > > > > > > You can check it out at > http://www.groundmotion.com/amencompo > > > > > > it's the Obskuras track > > > > > > </plug> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > On 19 Dec 2001, at 0:31, Jurgen Baute wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't want to start an argument here, > > > > > > > but I see Recycle as a tool to skip all the > tedious manual > cutting > > > you > > > > > do in SoundForge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 99% of the cases Recycle gets it right, and > if it doesn't > it's > > > just a > > > > > matter of > > > > > > > adjusting the "looppoint", > > > > > > > and of course, as you stated, it's a good idea > to use hits that > > are > > > in > > > > > the same "loop", or > > > > > > > closer together, to keep that magical flow in > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm glad a tool like Recycle exists, so I can > spend more time > with > > > the > > > > > more fun bits of > > > > > > > programming a tune. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and btw, > > > > > > > good post!! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2001, at 17:51, Scope - Streetbeats > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the same way most (breaks oriented) > producers do it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > I always cut up breaks in soundforge myself. > > > > > > > > 1) its more accurate and MOST importantly > > > > > > > > 2) I don't just take the hits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll take a drum loop, say two bars in length, > and once I've > > done > > > all > > > > > > > > the Direct X/VST plugin magic in soundforge > and > wavelab......and > > > once > > > > > > > > ive got it at the right temp.......then in > soundforge I'll > send > > > the > > > > > > > > whole loop to sample number 1 say. > > > > > > > > Then I'll cut that first beat off, and so the > loop is now > > shorter > > > than > > > > > > > > the full two bars, and will now begin from say > a hat inbetween > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > kick and snare. I'll send that to sample > number 2. > > > > > > > > Then I'll cut it from the snare onwards, and > send this section > > to > > > > > sample > > > > > > > > 3. > > > > > > > > Until I get to the end of the loop, the last > sample I send > over > > > should > > > > > > > > just be an individual hit, the last one in the > loop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do this you ask? Well sure it takes more > memory in my > > sampler, > > > but > > > > > > > > memory is cheap, and if you know how to use a > sampler well > then > > > you > > > > > make > > > > > > > > efficient use of that memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main reason for doing this, is that all of > the feeling in > a > > > break > > > > > > > > and the movement in it, the groove if you like > is held in the > > bits > > > > > > > > inbetween the main hits. > > > > > > > > Sometimes people refer to these as ghost hits, > and if its not > > > ghost > > > > > hits > > > > > > > > then the feeling often just comes from things > like the decay > > > > > > > > characteristic of the hits. > > > > > > > > So the way I use breaks, I have any individual > hit I want to > > hand, > > > > > > > > keymapped. The difference being, if I hold the > key down, I get > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > > just that hit, but a part of the loop too..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now back in the very first instance, at or > before the > conception > > > of > > > > > > > > hardcore and d&b, drum loops would be taken in > there > entireity, > > > time > > > > > > > > stretched and laid down straight. > > > > > > > > Then as time progressed you could see these > loops maybe being > > > split > > > > > into > > > > > > > > a couple of sections etc, and slightly > rearranged. > > > > > > > > And b4 you know it you have producers like > source direct and > > > photek > > > > > > > > cutting these breaks up as I described above > to give you > > ultimate > > > > > > > > flexibility and re-arranging power. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by laying down these various sections of > breaks, in > different > > > > > length > > > > > > > > segments or whatever - there are no rules - > you can very > quickly > > > build > > > > > > > > up different grooves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once you have that groove, you may want to > clean it up a > little > > by > > > > > > > > deconstructing any longer sections of loop you > are playing on > a > > > single > > > > > > > > note into smaller sections, or even individual > hits. > > > > > > > > When doing this, the envelope and filter > settings in your > > sampler > > > > > become > > > > > > > > crucial in obtaining the same feel as you had > whilst just > > playing > > > a > > > > > > > > section of the loop on that one key. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This step is also very important for achieving > a fat sound, > > > because > > > > > you > > > > > > > > should have kicks, snares and hats on > different channels on > the > > > desk, > > > > > so > > > > > > > > you want the hist to be as granular as > possible whilst retaing > a > > > real > > > > > > > > groove. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its hard to describe, but quite a simple > concept. > > > > > > > > A lot of producers I run into who are just > getting going will > be > > > using > > > > > > > > recycle or whatever and programming these > individual hits, and > > the > > > > > > > > result often sounds staccato and interupted. > > > > > > > > That's what you've got to avoid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that the whole above ranting, is only one > part of it, > > having > > > the > > > > > > > > right sound on your breaks is awhole other > consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps someone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > > Get your FREE Web based email at > > > > > > > > http://www.m4jungle.com > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > > Streetbeats, Noir, Pi, Z-no > > > > > > > > http://www.streetbeats.co.uk > > > > > > > > http://www.m4jungle.com > > > > > > > > http://www.noir-recordings.com > > > > > > > > http://www.pi-recordings.com > > > > > > > > http://www.z-no.co.uk > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Carr, Timm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2001 17:26 > > > > > > > > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] RE: Breaks Programming > -How? Hidden > > > Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recycle really does help with the cutting up > of sampled > breaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > From: Daniel Norman > > > > > > > > > Reply To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 11:34 AM > > > > > > > > > To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List > > > > > > > > > Subject: [dnb-prod] Breaks Programming -How? > Hidden > > Secret..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After all the stuff about PC conflicts and > nastiness, I've > got > > a > > > > > > > > > question on good old beats production. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since peeps here can cast their minds back > to stunning tunes > > > like > > > > > > > > > Source Direct / Oblivion on Streetbeats and > basically all > the > > > Photek > > > > > > > > > Productions, DeeJay Recordings (Pete Parsons > - genius), deep > > > stuff > > > > > > > > > etc, etc - i was just wondering if anyone > here had ever > > managed > > > to > > > > > > > > > approach their kind of breaks programming. > How the f*ck do > > they > > > do > > > > > it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only really bought my studio kit to try to > make intricate > > > breaks > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself like i had always heard from those > guys and after 2 > yrs > > i > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > what i'm doing, but i can't get my breaks to > sound like they > > > used to > > > > > > > > > in 95.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically, I haven't got Recycle for the > A3000v2 sampler yet > > and > > > i'm > > > > > > > > > thinking this is where i'm missing out. Can > you generally > use > > > > > Recycle > > > > > > > > > to make to beats like on the tunes above. I > have processed a > > ton > > > of > > > > > > > > > breaks in Cool Edit Pro, but its during the > tune that i > can't > > > quite > > > > > > > > > get them to cut up properly and still sound > runnin' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm using a PII 450, Logic Silver and the > Yamaha A3000, > > whereas > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > guessing peeps used to use Ataris and early > Macs with Akai > > S3000 > > > > > > > > > samplers - i know the timing of PCs, Logic > and the Yam > sampler > > > might > > > > > > > > > not be so good as the Atari and Akai, but > surely thats not > the > > > whole > > > > > > > > > story? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking that Recycle/SCSI card might > be the ultimate > > > > > > > > > solution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help would be cool, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: The Information in this message > is confidential > > and > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally privileged. 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