Oops, Can of worms here... I wasn't slagging them off per se, just the issue of good producers sometimes releasing filler tracks which to be honest, most of us could equal using Acid i mean their output of rock hard, badbwoy tunes is f*cking huge (RAS 78, Phantom Force, Rockers, The Wrench, old Timeless tunes etc)and most are full on amazing when you hear them on a big system, so it just seems to me that theres no reason why they need to release those Think break fillers - I love most of their stuff (i also love dub and understand the underlying structures of their tunes), so it was more of a rant at the fact that being lazy on a few tunes is a bit lame given that they are both souljahs who have been there since day one.
Laters Dan PS - have a look around for the samples - Reinforced CD, Jungle Warfare Vol 1, DJ Shadow Remix of Lifers Group (Lifers Group's Zimbabwe Legit (Hollywood Basic), BBE Funk Spectrum compilations, Ninja Tune comps - all got the breaks we need... Assembly line, Phantom Force, old 1994 Bukem breaks, Wax Doctor/Goldie apaches and Goldie/Source Direct breaks to name a few -----Original Message----- From: cacofone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 March 2002 12:41 To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: Umm.... Flutter by Autechre is the answer to non-repeating dance music.. not really for the junglist at heart... peaz, Joshua At 12:54 PM 3/14/02, you wrote: >Yeah I'm with Trust here, I find Digital's breaks are very high quality, >and I havent heard any of them on sample CDs. I'd be interested to know >what (if any) sample CDs you are referring to...As for repetitiveness, I >think you'll find it's hard to make a track that is never looping but >still works on the dancefloor. People don't want to stand there at a club >and admire the >complex and original way a track is put together, they want something that >has effective raw elements, beats, bass and hooks, which I reckon Digital >is quality at. > >I could think of hundreds of producers that are guilty of churning out >shit tunes because they know they will work, I wouldn't say Digital is >anywhere near the guiltiest! > >It all depends on what style of DnB you're into I suppose...Some people >will think "God that tune is shit!", while others will think "Oh my God >that is rufffff!!!". I must admit that's exactly what happened to me when >everyone started raving on about Bad Company, I really didn't appreciate >alot of their tracks. But again, each to their own... > >Kryptic > > >>From: "Trust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: Umm.... >>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:24:47 -0800 >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Turbo Hz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:49 AM >>Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: Umm.... >> >> >> > I'm with you here. D&S tunes are no more than drum breaks taken off sample >> > CDs, and stolen stabs arranged in the more simplistic way. Oh, and add a >> > deep sub bass... >> >>Are you kidding me??? Digital's breaks are second to none. Show me what >>sample CD the breaks from Deadline, Phantom Force or Remote Control came >>from. Even when he uses "standard" breaks like amens, etc. they still sound >>way different then anyone else's. >> >> > Build the main loop, write the intro adding the elements one by one.. let >>if >> > loop until the end. >> > The result is a 5 minutes tune by the most overated d&b producers >> > nowadays... >> >>The focus of most Digital tunes are not about 'how crazy can I make this >>arrangement for all the the attention-deficiet kids out there'. Rather the >>focus is on rhythm and effect. This is essentialy a dub production ethic >>carried over into drum n bass. Most of Digital's tunes are basically dub >>tracks with a drum n bass beat. If your not a fan of dub i can see why you >>might not like he tunes, but most of his tracks are harder to make then a >>lot of the two step neurocrap passing for music these days. >> >> > Sure, I like some of their tunes, but can't believe this "See? We've got a >> > another one ready to go!" can fill an astist's creative desire... >> >>Well i certainly agree with you here. But almost every producer is guilty >>of this at some point. Seems like once an upcoming artist finally breaks >>through, the quality of the tunes tends to wane as the artist is forced to >>churn out tracks at a faster clip to keep up with the demand for tunes with >>their name on it. That said, I'm not so quick to write off past >>accomplishments due to one shady tune. >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Daniel Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:19 PM >> > Subject: [dnb-prod] Umm.... >> > >> > >> > > Hi >> > > >> > > Slightly off topic, >> > > >> > > But... >> > > >> > > You know how most of us slave over our tunes constantly trying to make >> > them >> > > different but roughly equal in quality to the ones by established >> > producers >> > > in the hope of writing something good enough to send off. >> > > Have a listen to Digital and Spirits new tune (love is love) on the D+B >> > > arena dubplate focus. >> > > >> > > Er, filler alert - these guys rock when on form, but to make a track >>like >> > > that using the bog standard Horizons break and the break they always use >> > > (since day one) with some dodgy stabs when they can do stuff like >>Gateman >> > > and Final Chapter is just lazy...Champion Bubbler is a bit lame too...do >> > we >> > > dig those 2 bar standard breaks switching back and forth like it was >>1996? >> > > Soz - just had to get that one out, my 2p worth... >> > > >> > > They aren't awful tunes and they are fairly well produced, it just seems >> > > like they could try harder considering they don't have a day job to >> > > juggle... >> > > Laters >> > > >> > > Dan >> > > >> > > (maybe i'm bitter, he, he) >> > > >> > > >> > > DISCLAIMER: The Information in this message is confidential and may be >> > > legally privileged. 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