On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:29:26AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Franco Lanza" <next...@nexlab.it> > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:35:03AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > >> Which is Devuan intended to be? > >> > >> 1) Debian without systemd > >> 2) A Debian-like distro > >> > > > > Nor 1 or 2. > > Devuan is intended to be a debian that respect: > > 1- freedom of choice > > 2- UNIX philosophy > > 3- KISS philosophy > > > > Of course first of all those 3 points make systemd unacceptable. But > > saying that devuan is just "debian withous systemd" is riductive. > > > > traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. No packages > > needs to be changed at all for this eventual switch, and anyway, > > as devuan respect the users, this choice isn't an imposition from "the > > hight", but it's a question to the whole ml userbase to listen pro/cons. > > In that case, my next question would be "Do we want to cater to those who > are new to Linux/Unix?" If yes, then nano is a good choice. If no, then > vi is a good choice.
It not just Unix newbies that have trouble with vi. It's anyone used to a editor different from vi. > > I don't like using nano, and always install vim, followed by > 'update-alternatives'. But I remember as a new user being frustrated > that I couldn't follow a simple how-to because I didn't know how to use > vi. When I discovered nano, it was a huge relief. I don't like using nano either, and always install emacs. But I imagine that to new user, emacs might also be extremely frustrating. Having nano as default before I've had a chance to install anything else is a huge relief. > > I don't mind defaulting to nano for the sake of new users, even if nano > isn't what I want to use. I know how to change the defaults. A new > user does not. Exactly. Let's not force any editor with a steep learning curve on the beginner. Is there another editor as easy to *start* using as nano? And let's not try to impose a one-sided settlement on the vi vs emacs cotroversy. -- hendrik > > -Rob > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
