On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 03:02:01AM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote: > >I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that > >libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is > >sufficiently generic. > > > I don't see any purpose that *any* package has a libsystemd dependency in > distribution with systemd removed?
Dragan, believe it or not, there are more fancy things to do in Devuan than just stripping libsystemd0 from the dependencies. You are right, in a system that does not have systemd, libsystemd0 is useless. And removing it from almost all packages that currently have such "Depends: " is straightforward. The drawback is that any package that we fork from Debian must be *maintained* by us. Meaning that you have to keep up-to-date with new versions, upstream bugs, user requests, and the like. So, if there are enough maintainers who want to take this responsibility and de-libsystemd0-ise several packages and *maintain* them over time, then they are welcome. We don't need people who remove libsystemd0 from a package and then abandon that package to its destiny: this will only make Devuan worse and worse over time. And we don't have the hundreds of maintainers that Debian has, so we must focus energies in a careful manner. Devuan is not just about making the point that having a Linux system without systemd is possible. Devuan is about drawing a new, alternative, sustainable path to systemd-infested distros, which entails development in infrastructure and services, besides the mere list of packages provided. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ]
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