Il 21/06/2017 alle 07:20, KatolaZ ha scritto: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:12:32PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> I will reiterate my earlier comment. For those who believe that Devuan >> is somehow lacking without GNOME et. al., Debian is a short download >> away. I say that not with malice or condescension, but with sincerity >> that your experience will be better with Debian as the Debian developers >> have committed the project to support GNOME in full. Devuan has chosen >> another path. Please respect that. >> > > Dear Nate, > > I have already said several times that I couldn't care less about > GNOME or KDE or XFCE 'per se'. However, I believe it is fundamental to > provide sustainable alternatives (and as many as possible) to the > "centralisation madness" that has become so popular. That's why, > ideally, I wouldn't like to leave behind any single piece of software > that can potentially work without systemd, and that could escape the > total domination plan that is unfolding in front of our eyes. If we > keep accepting compromises, and reacting with "well, I don't need > this, so I don't care", we will be left with basically no toy to play > with, and in a quite short time.
IMO, Devuan's priority ought to be providing a viable alternative to the "total domination" madness. This entails refusing to go with those pieces of software that are designed to enforce that domination and centralization. Most of the reasons that caused us to forgo systemd apply to Gnome as well. It would be nice we had the manpower to fork Gnome and maintain a portable version that could do without systemd, but I think we cannot do that and keep evolving a whole systemd-free OS at the same time. We have easier and workable alternatives, let's go with them, let's value them. People who appreciate a systemd-free OS are likely to appreciate an alternative WM than Gnome and KDE. We are in no obligation to support everything that could possibly run in Devuan. Being focused to a precise goal, user freedom and choice, usually involves a degree of sacrifice. We are not letting users without a WM, there are many to choose from, we are letting out those that chose to entangle users inside their walled gardens. Would someone ask why does not Devuan have $PACKAGE, we will educate the guy with this explanation: "We favour freedom and choice over features, we prefer simplicity and ease of porting to the bells and whistles, this is the reason we left out those packages that made the opposite choices". Then the guy will make their own choice. _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
