Quoting Florian Zieboll (f.zieb...@web.de): > Hallo Rick, > > this may be true from the consumer's point of view, but apparently, the > energy needed to produce a new computer can exceed its lifetime savings > by far. Quote from the German "Umweltbundesamt" (environmental agency):
This is certainly a concern worth taking seriously, so thank you. > | The production of a laptop consumes so much energy that for energetic > | reasons it is never worthwhile to exchange an old, still functional > | device for a new, more energy-efficient device. If the new laptop is > | ten percent more economical than the old one, it would have to be used > | for almost 90 years, until it was worthwhile - from the point of view > | of climate protection. Even if the new laptop - unrealistic - requires > | 70% less power, it would have to be used for around 13 years, until it > | has paid for itself energetically. There are, of course, many good > | reasons to buy a new computer. Energy saving is not part of it. [1] > | (google translation) > > Not sure, how up-to-date / backed this information is, especially for > the trending SBCs - but I think that the environmental aspects of the > production are a heavy argument for supporting older hardware. Indeed, if one is public-spirited, one should remember that the environmental costs of newly manufactured equipment also extend beyond electricity the equipment will consume: There is also environmental harm from the entire process of manufacture, distribution, and sale. That having been said, my offhand guess is that in many cases one _can_ expect better than 70% less power from newer gear, on account of SSDs replacing hard disks, 63.5mm-platter hard disks replacing 90mm ones, fanless units replacing ones requiring many fans, and much better power management at the hardware level. But thank you for a useful perspective. And my thanks to the UBA for its work. ('Für Mensch und Umwelt', indeed.) > libre Grüße, > Florian What a lovely phrase! I may need to borrow it. Vielen Dank. -- Cheers, The genius of you Americans is that you never make Rick Moen clear-cut stupid moves, only complicated stupid moves r...@linuxmafia.com that make us wonder at the possibility that there may be McQ! (4x80) something to them that we are missing. --Gamel Abdel Nasser _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng