On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 07:22:51PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 09:04:57 -0800, Rick wrote in message 
> <[email protected]>:
> 
> > Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen ([email protected]):
> > 
> > > I used to mount /usr read-only on my server machines but that
> > > quickly becomes a bore when you need to install security upgrades
> > > every so often.  
> > 
> > Suggestion:  Make remounting an automatic part of package operations.
> > 
> > /etc/apt/apt.conf:
> > 
> > DPkg {
> >     // Auto re-mounting of a read-only /usr
> >     Pre-Invoke { "mount -o remount,rw /usr"; };
> >     Post-Invoke { "test ${NO_APT_REMOUNT:-no} = yes || mount -o
> > remount,ro /usr || true"; }; };
> 
> 
> ..me, I would prefer "mount -vo remount,ro /usr", it's an useful 
> wee bit more verbose, and new people coming over from e.g. Debian,  
> may not neccessarily like "our new sneaky surprise breaking their
> system" systemd workarounds etc.  
> 
> 
> ..let's have them complain about our verbosity when they get 
> fed up with it. ;o)
> 

Why should we make (unreasonable) assumptions about the specific
configuration of a system, e.g. in terms of how are the different
filesystems mounted?

You know, "universal" means that basically everybody can use it for
whatever their own purposes are, with a generous level of
customisation allowed. We can't cater for all the possible
combinations of /, /usr, /var, and so on, And BTW, why should we care
at all? These are details related to *policy*, and *policy* should be
decided (to the largest possible extent) by the user of a
distribution.

If having a separate /usr is a problem for Debian, we will try to find
a way to get around that, and allow the users who want to have a
separate /usr to continue to do so. The fact that almost nobody uses
ext2 filesystems nowadays does not mean that we must strip the ext2
support from "mount", just to make another (unrelated) example.

On this side of the GNU/Linux world, universal still means universal.

HND

KatolaZ

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