On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:40:42 +0000 KatolaZ <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't see how what I said could make you considering getting back to > Debian, TBH :) It's very good to have backup plans, but choosing > Devuan is about going *forward*, not backward. YMMV though. The only reason I could imagine to go back from Devuan to Debian would be to avail ones self of SystemD. > > My personal distro backup plan (i.e., what I would do if Devuan would > not work fine for me at any given point in the future) consists in > putting some more effort in making Devuan work better. And then a bit > more effort, if needed. And then a bit more, if that was not > enough. And then a bit more, if required. And then a bit more. And so > on :) In my opinion, the preceding paragraph expresses a Primary Plan, not a backup plan. Most grassroots projects: Projects not funded or managed by some soulless conglomerate handing out developerships as career perks, consist of developers who use the software so often and so hard that they can't afford for the software to be anything but the best. I know that's how everyone in the VimOutliner project felt (and I think still feels, regardless of the \\ ridiculosity. I'd list plan B's something like this: * Void Linux * OpenBSD now has hardware assisted virtual machines and is a great and stable "Linux". * Funtoo is still OpenRC, and is committed to never use System-D. You can add runit, daemontools-encore or s6 to OpenRC to obtain project supervision/respawning, if you'd like. At this point in time, Gentoo's a little too "reach across the isle" to suit my taste, and I have a feeling Gentoo will soon default to System-D. * Manjaro is still very tweakable to remove System-D and replace with sysvinit, after which sysvinit can easily be replaced by runit, s6, Epoch, Busybox Init (talk to Karl Hammar for tips), or several others. * I've heard that there are now sans-systemD versions of Arch. Given that once upon a time Arch prided itself as being very close to the metal, a sans-systemD Arch would be a wonderful machine. For the Devuan user, these are definitely *plan Bs*. Only two aren't rolling releases, and one of those doesn't even use the Linux kernel. I've tried them all, and I think all of them are "more difficult" than Devuan. Funtoo is a serious time committment: Source compilation isn't instant. But if someday some sort of bad people take over the Devuan project, there are alternatives. How could bad people take over Devuan? I don't know, and I hope it never happens. But history tells us it's possible. At the turn of the century, Red Hat was absolutely committed to free software and making the best conceivable operating system. Debian was a no-corporation champion of free software, with strong ties to FSF, and was trusted absolutely by the larger GNU/Linux community. Back in 2000, Debian was EVERYBODY's Plan B, because we all knew Debian would always be alive and always be completely trustworthy. > Nothing can stop a determined community from setting itself free. I agree, and once wrote about that phenomenon: http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200110/200110.htm#_linuxlog SteveT Steve Litt January 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
