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At 1:43 AM +1000 2003/03/20, George Michaelson wrote:


 12pm midnight local time, every machine combines to do a DDOS on the DNS,
 walking their logfiles. doesn't sound good to me.

That's what is already happening today. I don't see any difference here.


also sounds the kind of thing which could work better from some other process.
when I ran a large FTP mirrors logfile processing, I used router BGP dumps and
pre-compiled prefix/len maps to do this activity. It was 3 orders of magnitude
faster than DNS lookups and more reliable.

Granted, I didn't run the largest ftp server in the country, but I do know that it was one of the largest (probably still is) and that the President & CEO of TUCOWS asked me if he could have my machine that I was using to mirror his site, once I was done with it. I never had any problem of the sort you mention.


 but if its optional, and untrustworthy, and currently incomplete and broken,
 and breaking other services, its worth questioning its value.

DNS as a whole is optional. Why do we need to use names at all? Why don't we all just memorize numbers and be done with it?


Sorry, I don't buy this "if it's optional then we shouldn't do it" argument.

 synthesis is interesting. if we're synthesizing, does that mean we're not
 doing a top-down delegation model any more? or is this synthesis into
 delegated spaces?

You would be synthesizing only in the local part of the network you own. Moreover, you would only be synthesizing things that need to be synthesized, since many servers would likely be assigned static addresses and would not be changing them frequently.


given how reverse works, it means a cable operator
has to either manage n * 255 spaces per 16 or one 65,000 host space to scale
this to their net. That might be ok, I don't know. But it doesn't look like it
would be completely straightforward to do for CiDR spaces.

It probably doesn't scale too well into pure CIDR spaces, just like reverse DNS today doesn't scale well into pure CIDR spaces. The difference is that you can delegate on the nibble with IPv6, whereas with IPv4 you're forced to delegated on the byte.


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