On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzme...@nic.fr> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 05:53:53PM -0400,
> Warren Kumari <war...@kumari.net> wrote
> a message of 31 lines which said:
>> However, if there is not sufficient review and feedback for the
>> chairs to be able to select between them (or some other clear
>> outcome), we will be stuck... and then we will continue to talk
>> about this topic ad nauseam.
> Or we could decide that the problem is not solvable in the current
> context and tell that to the IESG.
We could -- it is entirely possible that this is not a solvable
problem -- however, before we can make that determination, and even
more importantly, before we can clearly communicate that to the rest
of the IETF / IESG / <etc> we need to agree on what the *problem*
This is what draft-tldr-sutld-ps is trying to do -- clearly document
the problems with special use names, not just the problems with
Once we've documented the problem we can then discuss *mitigations* (I
suspect not solutions), and if there is anything useful we can
> Some things are simply not
> possible. And I'm still not convinced there is a problem to solve
> (unless the real issue is "how to prevent the registration of .gnu and
> The rest of this email is about
> draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-06. Executive summary: no, no
> and no.
> Despite many remarks on this list and in IETF meetings, the draft
> continues to use disparaging terms like (section 1) "squatting".
> Several remarks in the draft are dishonest because they could be
> applied as well to many IETF technologies. It really seems the authors
> felt the draft was too short and decided to pile in anything they
> could find against 6761. For instance, section 3 says:
>> [RFC6761] does not mention if the protocol using the reserved name
>> should be published as an RFC document.
> So what? It was never a problem at IETF to rely on protocols which are
> not in a RFC. (See for instance the "Specification Required" policy in
> RFC 5226.)
> Another instance of the same problem, section 4 says:
>> c. Reserving a string in [RFC6761] does not guarantee queries will
>> not leak in the DNS.
> Requiring this is outrageous: there is no way to prevent
> implementations to do stupid things. RFC 1918 does not "guarantee
> packets will not leak [in the public Internet]" and nobody is going to
> criticize RFC 1918 for that. (Not to mention the DNS leaks of
> Section 5:
>> This leads to concerns about liability risks incurred by adding a
>> particular string to the [RFC6761] registry.
> There is no way to guard against any issue that a US lawyer may
> raise. Until now, no owner of the Local or Onion trademarks
> complained, or threatened to sue.
> Section 1 :
>> the GNU Name System (GNS) system is using block chains to build a
>> decentralized name system
> GNS does not use any blockchain. (Confusion with Namecoin?)
> Little details
> Abstract :
>> RFC 6761 introduced a framework by which a particular domain name
>> could be acknowledged as being special.
> Actually, suffix, not domain name (RFC 6761, section 4).
> Section 1 :
>> An algorithmic solution frequently chosen by application developers
>> consists simply in using a special tag padded at the end of a name
> Why calling it "tag", instead of "label" (or "suffix" if there are
> several labels)?
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
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