Tom,

I've been giving this some thought, and what had become evident to me is that I 
have no problem at all with the Docbook language.

After all, you can either learn to code it by hand, or use an editor like 
Oxygen. Either way, you do need to know the possibilities of the language, to 
know the best way to mark-up your document, but that's not really a problem.

There are 2 problems that I suspect for many make the difference between using 
the product and not:

1. The complexity of setting up an environment: Download stylesheets, download 
toolchain (which includes numerous choices), create a directory structure for 
your own document.

2. The complexity of customizing the default look of the documents, which look 
OK, but don't look as good as they would need to be to be put in front of a 
client.

There clearly was, and still remains a need for Docbook. If you are supporting 
a technical project, the language itself meets most, if not all of your 
requirements outside the box.

But when I see the examples that have been provided as a result of the original 
question, I see documents that range from amazing to pretty ordinary. This not 
only shows the strength of the platform, but also the weakness.

As a Docbook user, and advocate, the amazing documents antagonize me the most, 
because I'm not sure I have the time and the will to understand how they were 
created.

The question remains unanswered, having learned the Docbook language, why 
should somebody then have to face a much greater challenge to produce a 
document that looks presentable?

Does anybody sell a commercial Docbook customization layer? If this was Joomla, 
or Wordpress, or MediaWiki there would be a whole marketplace of free and 
commercial presentation layers.

Is Docbook really that obscure?

Gerard

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Schraitle [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:39 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [docbook-apps] Show off what you've done with Docbook

Hi Gerhard,

Am Samstag, 12. September 2015, 11:35:11 schrieb Gerard Nicol:
> I'm surprised nobody has put together a Linux VM image with Git and 
> Docbook etc.

Shouldn't be too difficult. ;)


> I'd happily pay a few thousand a year for a subscription to a hosted 
> or packaged Docbook environment if the results looked as good as some 
> of the better examples provided.

You can look at some of our examples which we created by our DAPS toolchain, 
here PDF:

* http://opensuse.github.io/daps/doc/pdf/art.daps.quick_color_en.pdf
*
https://www.suse.com/documentation/sles-12/pdfdoc/book_sle_admin/book_sle_admin.pdf


Of course, it is a customization layer on top of the original DocBook XSL 
stylesheets. :-) Meanwhile they are quite complicated now.

The stylesheets are released in GitHub: https://github.com/openSUSE/suse-xsl


-- 
Gruß/Regards
  Thomas Schraitle


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