Hi :)
Ahh, i thought that when the team publishes a document the individuals CC by SA 
licence is then re-licensed under a new CC by SA licence as the original 
licence allows?

Also, "Hey that's not my glass!!!  Mine was bigger!!  And it was full!!" (quote 
from THHGttG, thanks Zaphod :) )  I might have missed a few ! marks.  
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Alexander Thurgood <[email protected]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, 26 November, 2011, 15:40
> Le 26/11/11 15:50, Tom Davies a
> écrit :
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> 
> > 
> > In our case the copyright holder is TDF.  Well at
> the moment not TDF but the German community (or is it
> French?) that is the legally registered organisation that is
> looking after TDF assets until TDF is fully registered.
> > 
> 
> Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending on which half of
> the glass you
> see as full ;-)), the copyright holder is each individual
> author, and
> not TDF (that is precisely why there is no copyright
> assignment in any
> part of the LibreOffice project.
> 
> If a contributor wishes to have his/her contribution
> accepted within the
> LibreOffice project then they have to do so under the
> LGLP3+/MPL+ for
> code, or CC-BY-SA for anything else, unless there are other
> specific
> reasons for this not being the case (which will always
> raise the
> question as to whether it is really accepted or not), as
> for example,
> with some older code that has been revamped but must be
> kept currently
> under LGPL2.
> 
> So TDF (or even the German foundation currently running
> things while it
> is being set up) is not the owner of the documentation
> produced.
> 
> The Documentation Project is not a legal entity in the
> sense of the word
> "organisation" referred to in the AL2 license - it has no
> legal remit of
> representation for copyright assignments.
> 
> > I don't have a specialism in copyright or contracts or
> anything and don't have any qualifications in law for even a
> single country so i am aware there are a lot of implications
> and things that i am completely unaware of.  Also i
> know Alex does have some expertise in exactly the right area
> although he is not officially employed as an expert and is
> only giving us the benefit of his opinion for us to
> weigh-up.
> 
> 
> Indeed, I'm not (to my knowledge) employed by any entity
> involved in
> this project (thankfully), which allows me to be have an
> unfettered
> opinion. I have been known as an "électron libre" in the
> past, and for
> the most part, have managed to stay that way ;-)
> 
> I have already stated on the Apache OOo list that I would
> not allow for
> the licences of any of my previous documentation
> contributions to be
> changed (since at one stage, some people were touting an
> "automatic, by
> default change" - fortunately, the Apache mentors of the
> project are
> crucially aware of doing this correctly when it comes to
> the legal
> issues). What the final result will be remains to be seen -
> I fear a
> severely trimmed OOo, but I am also assuming that the AOOo
> project will
> in due course fill those gaps.
> 
> Of course, my position with regard to AL2 is my own, and
> each person in
> this documentation project must decide in their own
> hearts/minds, how
> they wish to act. I am not here to sway them in one way or
> another on
> that decision. I merely wanted to point out the
> oversimplification that
> Jean made with regard to the word "published". This
> oversimplification
> could lead people to make a decision with regard to the
> licensing of
> their works, without understanding all of the ramifications
> behind it.
> 
> 
> Now, please excuse my pedantry, and on with the debate !!
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> 
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