Hello Regina (again you say;-))) Your explanation has helped tremendously. I shall now create two separate sections for Chap 7 Working with 3D Objects.
With regards Peter Schofield [email protected] On 13 Oct 2013, at 16:10, Regina Henschel [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > PeeWee schrieb: > > Hello Regina > > > > My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants > > and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt > > some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a > > long time ago. > > I still struggling with English. My written English is often strange and > it is difficult for me to understand spoken English. > > > > > You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What > > puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? > > Let's go back in history. In StarOffice and in the sequel in OOo1 only > some kind of shapes exists. The status bar shows in the left field, > which kind of object it is. For example, you will see "Rectangle > selected" or "Callout selected" or "Parallelogram selected" or "Bézier > curve selected" ... > This draw objects can be turned to 3D objects. The methods are rotation > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution) and extrusion > (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrusion_%28Geometrie%29; I find no > English one). > There exists a 3D engine with a lot of features, but the UI is confusing > and bad designed, not changed since StarOffice times. The UI is in great > want of refresh and redesign. > > These classical draw objects were not able to store the features of the > "Autoforms" of Microsoft Office. Therefore a new kind of shapes were > implemented in OOo2, the so called custom shapes. They got the ability > to contain informations, how they should be rendered as > 3D-extrusion-object. And they got a new UI for setting this properties. > For all the different custom shapes you get only the one string "shape > selected" in the status bar. At the same time the "Fontwork gallery" was > introduced. From a technical view, that are custom shapes as well. > > Once > > a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all > > the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. > > The ready made 3D objects are not only simple 3D objects, but they are > 3D scenes. You cannot have such 3D object without a root 3D scene. Such > 3D scene cannot include custom shapes. There is no way to write such > thing into the file format. And there exists no requests to change the > spec in this direction. If you convert a custom shape by the tools "To > 3D" or "To 3D rotation object" they are converted to a polygon or to a > curve first, but the user is not notified about that. Therefore the 3D > dialog is not suitable for custom shapes. > > To get a deeper understanding of this very different kind of objects, it > might be worth reading the spec, section 10.5 "3D Shapes" and 10.6 > "Custom Shape". > [http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html] > > This > > complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough > > for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. > > I agree, that is a challenge. In contrast to the old German version, I > now would make two strictly independent sections, one for "3D Shapes" > and a new section covering all the properties and handlings of "Custom > Shapes". There exists not only their special way of extruding, but also > the yellow handles to vary the shapes, and they differ in the way text > is used. You can even write your own custom shapes, but sadly their is > no UI for that, but you have to write into the file directly. I had a > talk about it last FOSDEM. > > The current drawing toolbar in LO makes it more complicate. OOo had the > classical rectangle and ellipse in the toolbar, and you could turn them > into 3D shapes. But the current drawing toolbar has dropped them, and > instead has included the custom shapes "Rectangle" and "Ellipse" which > are already in the drop-down list "Basic shapes" of the custom shapes. > To use the classical shapes, you have to customize the toolbar first. > The consequence of which is, that users do not get the properties they > are used to, rounded corners for example. > > If you have questions about the shapes, please ask. I do not have time > enough to write a full text, but will comment on single problems. > > Kind regards > Regina > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077877.html > To start a new topic under Documentation, email > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. > NAML ----- Peter Schofield [email protected] -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077957.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
