Myself, I prefer inserting graphics (images and pictures, according to
LO/OO) in figures (illustrations, according to LO/OO) without inserting
the figures inside a needless paragraph. I am sure that most
writers/editors of the user guides are aware of the hierarchy of the
factory-default paragraph styles; however, I will expound on this topic
just a bit...
All the default paragraph styles (except the root style) inherit from
the root style named Default Style (previously named Default until
fairly recently). There is a (second-level) Caption style, which itself
has four default (third-level) styles that inherit from it--Drawing,
Illustration, Table, and Text; all of those four are meant, by default,
to be used for adding captions to drawings, etc. The Caption style could
also be used by itself if only one type of captioning is used (figures
with no tables or vice versa), but the Caption style can be further used
to set up its children default styles with a common formatting
characteristic, such as a redefined default typeface (font) for all of
the four third-level captioning styles, which can be formatted
differently from those in Default Style--the granddaddy, first-level style.
So, there is no need to create any special custom caption paragraph
styles or create other paragraph styles to insert figures into
paragraphs with those custom paragraph styles--unless one wants to.
Staying with the factory defaults, a figure could employ the default
Illustration paragraph style for just the figures' captions--but not for
the entire figure (illustration) construction. Likewise, the default
Table (caption) paragraph style can be used for captioning tables, but
not for the table's elements.
My writing/editing preference is not employing any custom styles unless
there is a real need for creating any. For making a figure with the
factory defaults, first insert an image graphic and change whatever
formatting desired (via the Picture dialog box) and, if a caption is
used (often, a recommended procedure), then select the graphic and use
the Caption command (right-click menu) to invoke the Insert Caption
dialog box, which by default sets the caption to use the Illustration
(caption) paragraph style, sets up its figure (illustration) numbering, etc.
Inserting an image by itself--without a caption--sets up the image
automatically with the default Graphics frame style; adding a caption
afterward then changes the captioned figure automatically with the Frame
frame style, which encloses the image (Graphics frame style) and a
caption (Illustration paragraph style).
Anyway, that's my dos centavos...
Gary
On 2/3/2014 3:48 PM, Jean Weber wrote:
I anchor all figure graphics "as character" in their own paragraph. If
anyone does it differently in a user guide file, and I notice, I
change it. This has worked more reliably for years in our docs than
other methods. I don't have the time or energy to explain what the
problems are when doing it differently.
--Jean
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Gary Schnabl <[email protected]> wrote:
One thing I noticed about disappearing graphics was that some figure
graphics were attached "as characters"--a method that is used for inserting
"inline" graphics along with the text. IOW, on a line of text, as a
character. Figure graphics should be attached differently.
Whenever those figure graphics were "missing," they were still contained
within the ODT file; however, they were invisible. I would detect them by
hunting around with a cursor for their outlines--and then either delete them
or cut-and-paste them to reattach them where they should have been--inside
their figures. If I was unsure where the one I found was supposed to be
(which figure), I would simply paste them somewhere at the end of the
chapter file for storage, to be inserted afterward.
Gary
On 2/3/2014 1:33 PM, John Smith wrote:
Hi Gary
Happily for me, disappearing graphics have not been a problem for a long
time now.
With respect to the Writer guides, Milos has done some work and 'cleaned'
them using some software routines. Unfortunately there appears to be some
random changes made to some of the custom styles we use (not the coloured
backgrounds to styles that are in the 'cleaned' files, but others). I have
adopted the routine for Writer of copying and pasting content from the
'clean' files into a new v3_4 template in order to reset all the styles that
have the same names, to those in the template.
I am going to keep multiple copies for the time being. My earlier problem
was with v4.2.0.3 and now we're into v4.2.0.4 I'm hoping it will be trouble
free. Time will tell.
Regards
JohnS
On 03/02/2014 04:09, Gary Schnabl wrote:
A recurring problem I occasionally encountered is having some (or all) of
the Figure graphics disappearing in some (corrupted?) Writer chapter files
for one reason or another--sometimes, even before any editing/rewriting was
done to them. So, I would make multiple files in the process of editing docs
in order to enable returning to an intermediate edited copy with its
graphics still intact--thus not losing all that editing effort.
Gary
On 2/2/2014 2:03 PM, John Smith wrote:
Hi Gary
No, no idea why it crashed. I was just editing happily and it
disappeared off screen, with no announcement, on one of the occasions,
another occasion had the look of a 'standard' crash with warnings and
recovery options. It was from one of these, after it took a good ten minutes
to recover a document and something like five to six minutes to delete a
single character that I did a copy/paste into a new clean template. I did
this a couple of times all told during the work on the chapter.
Copy/paste doesn't transfer over the edits, that is, the deleted or
changed text, with or without 'Record Changes- Show' being enabled when
copying is done. Hence the document not displaying changes made before
pasting.
Regards
JohnS
On 01/02/2014 22:52, Gary Schnabl wrote:
Do you have any idea why they crashed? Did you try a copy (Ctrl-A and
Ctrl-C)-and-paste of the entire chapter file unto a clean, new ODT file from
the most current template?
Gary
On 2/1/2014 5:33 PM, John Smith wrote:
Hi
The GS Guide Ch4 has been uploaded to here;
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2/chapter-4-getting-started-with-writer/view
Unfortunately, with this copy I had a lot of trouble with LO crashing
and file corruption. There are almost no recorded changes prior to about
page 21 and masses of deleted pages after the document ends. The chapter is
good to go in spite of this.
Regards
Johns
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