Am 11. August 2017 12:46:46 MESZ schrieb Ruben Safir <>:
>On 08/10/2017 04:41 PM, Frank-Ulrich Sommer wrote:
>> I can't see any security advantages of a self signed cert. I
>then you fail to understand the history, like when Microsoft's certs
>were undermined because the third party authentication agency gave the
>keys to 2 guys that knocked on the door and asked for them...
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Of course I know about this risk. But the only way to reduce it is to remove 
all preinstalled root CAs from all devices you use. It's more important whoom 
your client trusts than who signed your cert.

Using a self signed cert alone and still using a client with a huge list of 
preinstalled root CAs will be exactly as vulnerable as using a regular cert 
with this client. The client will accept a spoofed cert that was fraudulently 
obtained from one of those root CAs in both cases.

If you configure your client such that it only accepts certs that you manually 
added you could (theoretically and from a security standpoint) still use certs 
signed by an external CA that you add manually without compromising security. 
It's only important that you don't let someone else (e.g. the CA because it's 
easier...) generate your key pair but that you generate it yourself and only 
submit a certificate signing request.

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