Hey Franz, hey Stefan,
you're right, highlighting the chat tabs is currently more useful than
displaying desktop notification popups.
We have found the 13 patches you mentioned in Gerrit. Building
Saros with them was successful and the new chat features are
functioning fine.
Following your suggestions we want to try to highlight two UI components.
The first one is of course the chat tab for which new messages arrived.
For example changing the icon of the tab, it's title or even the title's
background color.
A question maybe coming up is how to attract the users attention if the
saros tab is not active too.
We think we can apply a similiar pattern here as well. Maybe not changing
the icon as it's an important recognition feature but modifying the
title or
applying some other visual attention grabber to the tab.
This way we also avoid desktop notification popups in the case of
eclipse being the active window.
At the moment we are investigating how to implement the ideas.
We will keep you updated.
Best regards,
Thomas and Christoph
Stefan Rossbach <srossb...@arcor.de> hat am 11. November 2012 um 02:43
geschrieben:
> As for the 1 to 1 chat.
>
> I think this will be a nice feature, if the tab is highlighted (in what
> form ever) to notice the user that he / she has
> new messages (regarding that the Eclipse Window is currently the
> foreground window). Maybe just display an icon
> as most IM tools does (I do not know if this is possible in SWT).
>
> BR,
> Stefan
>
> Am 09.11.2012 15:16, schrieb Zieris, Franz:
> > Dear Thomas and Christoph,
> >
> > First of all, thanks for showing so much interest in Saros in
general and in this topic in particular.
> >
> > On one hand I'm quite happy with some of your points, e.g. your
thoughts about the big picture: not only adding one new type of
notification, but asking for more occasions and optionally reworking
all notifications at once.
> >
> > Unfortunately, on the other hand I see a couple of impediments
down the way:
> > * We've been working on disentangling our license model since May
2012 -- but (obviously) not at full power, which is not due to a lack
of motivation, but of resources. Therefore I'm a bit nervous when
> > thinking about introducing new dependencies. (Although replacing
the BalloonWindows implementation with the Mylyn solution would only
replace one EPL-licensed piece of code with another.)
> >
> > * The chat is currently "under construction". So if you're going
to change something related to the chat, you'll have to take care of
the ongoing process. (See [1] as an entry point for more detailed
information, the IDs mentioned there refer to our review system Gerrit
[4]; synopsis: we have 13 (!) chat-related patches in our "queue" and
you would have to build your changes on top of the last one, and *not*
the current state of the chat.) That situation is really unsatisfying,
I'm working on that.
> >
> > * These 13 chat-related patches introduce session-independent
1-to-1-chats, each of which is represented by a separate tab [2].
Therefore the whole idea of introducing some kind of message
notification is be rethought. The user won't need the information
"there is a new message in your one and only chat window"; rather
something like "there are unread messages in these particular tabs".
> >
> >
> > To make a long story short: If you want to satisfy this feature
request, you'll need to think about the actual user needs that arise
from the new 1-to-1-chats. Some ideas:
> > * Highlight the corresponding tab(s) by color, font weight,
blinking, outstanding icon ... surprise us!
> > * Display the number of unread message (like Skype (?))
> >
> > Please make sure that you put your ideas up for discussion
*before* actually submit your patch(es) -- we take usability seriously
[3].
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Franz
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > [1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.eclipse.saros.devel/333
> > [2] https://www.dropbox.com/s/37xzxt8e8a0b5ad/saros-new-chat.png
> > [3] http://www.saros-project.org/UsabilityEngineering
> > [4] http://saros-build.imp.fu-berlin.de/gerrit
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SourceForge.net [mailto:nore...@sourceforge.net]
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 1:17 PM
> > To: SourceForge.net
> > Subject: [Dpp-robot] [ dpp-Feature Requests-3392259 ] No
notification about new Chat entries
> >
> > Feature Requests item #3392259, was opened at 2011-08-16 01:11
> > Message generated for change (Comment added) made by
> > You can respond by visiting:
> >
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=843362&aid=3392259&group_id=167540
> >
> > Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the
comment thread,
> > including the initial issue submission, for this request,
> > not just the latest update.
> > Category: None
> > Group: None
> > Status: Open
> > Priority: 3
> > Private: No
> > Submitted By: erosen (erosen)
> > Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
> > Summary: No notification about new Chat entries
> >
> > Initial Comment:
> > Notification about new Chat entries would be nice.
> >
> >
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> >
> > Comment By: cviebig ()
> > Date: 2012-11-09 04:16
> >
> > Message:
> > Thomas Benndorf and me, Christoph Viebig, would like to implement
this
> > feature request in the context of an university course.
> >
> > We would like to take up the idea to add visual notifications to
inform the
> > user about new events in Saros and follow the often used approach
to show a
> > desktop notification popup.
> >
> > An implementation already used in Saros is the class BalloonWindow in
> > com.novocode.naf.swt.custom (ext-src) which displays a Windows XP
style
> > balloon notification, as seen in [1]. The Class is licensed under
EPL.
> >
> > The Eclipse project tried to sum up the current state of such UI
> > Notifications in Eclipse subprojects [2]. It found out that there are
> > currently no standard API's in the major operating systems
(Windows, Linux,
> > Mac) to show such notifications although the use of such
functionality
> > would be favorable.
> >
> > Furthermore they observed that there are two projects that implement
> > desktop notification popups theirselves. On the one hand (1) Mylyn
and on
> > the other (2) Jazz [4,5].
> >
> > While we have to admit that the licensing of the Jazz library is
at the
> > moment unclear to us, Mylyn is licensed under EPL.
> >
> > As far as we can see in [2] it seems that the Mylyn notification
popups are
> > commonly used to display more than one event at the same time,
allowing the
> > user to quickly catch a larger part of chat messages to decide
wether an
> > immediate response is needed.
> >
> > In contrast Jazz notification popups seem to use a paged approach
> > displaying only one event at a time.
> >
> > To sum everything up: There are three options to implement desktop
> > notification popups. The option already used in one part of Saros
displays
> > Windows XP style balloons.
> >
> > Is it desirable to replace it by an alternative implementation
which might
> > be more flexible and comes with a more platform independent design?
> >
> > Just to get a feeling for such popups we implemented a small demo
> > application with Mylyn notifications. We noticed that we need to
provide an
> > extra thread to display and dispose the notification popups. As
far as we
> > could see Saros code is frequently using
> > de.fu_berlin.inf.dpp.util.Utils.run*Async() for such jobs.
> > As dependency
org.eclipse.mylyn.commons.ui_3.8.2.v20120916-1200.jar (from
> > http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/downloads/) is needed which is
licensed under
> > the EPL 1.0.
> >
> > As far as we could see the IMUCSessionListener::messageReceived()
defined
> > in ChatroomsComposite Class (in
de.fu_berlin.inf.dpp.ui.widgets.session)
> > would be the place to trigger new visual notifications for
incoming chat
> > messages. Adding more notifications for updates in the Whiteboard
seem to
> > be useful to us as well.
> > Do you see further uses for notification popups?
> >
> > We hope we did not miss anything and would be glad if you share your
> > opionion about our thoughts with us. Thank you very much in
advance :)
> >
> > [1] http://www.novocode.com/swt/
> > [2] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Platform_UI/Notifications
> > [3] http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/
> > [4] http://www.jazz.net/
> >
> >
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> >
> > Comment By: erosen (erosen)
> > Date: 2011-08-18 01:38
> >
> > Message:
> > I mean some kind of visual notification (not necessarily a new
bubble, but
> > maybe three times blinking or so) for those (like me) who do not
get sounds
> > from Saros, because Skype is blocking the mike.
> >
> >
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> >
> > Comment By: Karl Beecher (k_beecher)
> > Date: 2011-08-17 05:39
> >
> > Message:
> > What kind of notifications do you mean? There's already optional
sound.
> >
> >
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