> That does not mean that Eclipse (some plugin ... whatever) can modify 
> this file in the background

Yes, indeed. But, as I said, without a running Saros session, everything is 
fine. So even if Saros is not the actual cause, it still provides the 
"environment" for the failure to occur. So we maybe we should think about what 
Saros could do to detect and prevent this.

Franz

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Rossbach [mailto:srossb...@arcor.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:05 AM
To: Zieris, Franz
Cc: dpp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [DPP-Devel] Cyclic FileActivity

On 16.07.2013 09:52, Zieris, Franz wrote:
> >From what I heard, the file MANIFEST.MF was never touched by either of the 
> >developers.

That does not mean that Eclipse (some plugin ... whatever) can modify 
this file in the background

ALICE: Eclipse change MANIFEST.MF
BOB: receive changed MANIFEST.MF ... something detect this change and 
change the MANIFEST.MF
ALICE: receive changed MANIFEST.MF ... something detect this change and 
change the MANIFEST.MF
....
....
....
years later ....

> The fact that Eclipse thought that this file was touched (I have no idea 
> whether it really was, or what Saros had to do with it) was readily 
> observable, because every 5 seconds an automatic build was triggered. That 
> build only took like 2 seconds, but this was still annoying. You only have to 
> imagine a bigger project with builds that take 30 seconds or more.
> For the sake of completeness: No builds were triggered with Saros being in no 
> session.
>
> Franz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Schlott [mailto:patrick.schl...@fu-berlin.de]
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 7:51 PM
> To: dpp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [DPP-Devel] Cyclic FileActivity
>
> As far as I know we create FileActivities(type: Created) for files that
> are modified, but currently not opened in any editor.
> It may be, that this is no cyclic FileActivity recreating itself, but
> just some Eclipse-part modifying the MANIFEST.MF, which results in a new
> FileActivity any time a modification happens in the background.
>
> Am 15.07.2013 17:50, schrieb Zieris, Franz:
>> Dear developers,
>>
>> I stumbled upon a recurring pattern in a Saros logfile (version 13.3.22, 
>> session with BUDDY1 and BUDDY2 using server SERVERNAME, log from BUDDY1):
>>
>> [...]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:00,834 (ProjectDeltaVisitor.java:262) Resource 
>> MANIFEST.MF changed
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:00,837 (ActivitySequencer.java:980) Sent (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] [[14:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:01,156 (ActivitiesHandler.java:111) Rcvd (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] : [[20:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=target/classes/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:05,221 (ProjectDeltaVisitor.java:262) Resource 
>> MANIFEST.MF changed
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:05,224 (ActivitySequencer.java:980) Sent (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] [[15:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:05,558 (ActivitiesHandler.java:111) Rcvd (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] : [[21:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=target/classes/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:09,550 (ProjectDeltaVisitor.java:262) Resource 
>> MANIFEST.MF changed
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:09,554 (ActivitySequencer.java:980) Sent (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] [[16:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> DEBUG 2013-07-01 18:17:09,829 (ActivitiesHandler.java:111) Rcvd (001) 
>> [BUDDY2@SERVERNAME/Saros] : [[22:FileActivityDataObject(type: Created, path: 
>> SPathDataObject [editorType=txt, path=target/classes/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF, 
>> projectID=1011906544])]]
>> [...]
>>
>> This patterns repeats roughly every 5 seconds throughout the session. Any 
>> ideas what happened here?
>>
>> Franz
>>
>>
>
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