On 21.07.2014 13:40, Holger Schmeisky wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for looking into this. My 2 cents: > >> - they try to stick to testing the 'model', using headless builds. If >> there's already a separated 'core' of Saros, which can be tested in >> isolation, and there's only really plumbing left to do, that may not be >> applicable for the Saros-I code. > > Unfortunately the Saros-I code does more than plumbing - more like > half of the work, but with a lot of duplication. But well, that makes > it applicable for headless tests and I think thats a good path :-) There are two main components: The Editor Stuff and the File Stuff which cannot be part of the core. The rest should be mostly *cosmetic* stuff (beside the Watchdog). > >> Would it be worth investigating one of these libraries to see if it's >> possible to spin up an IntelliJ instance in a JUnit test? >> > > Yep, it's Swing. In Saros/E we fire up 2 Eclipse instances that run > the Saros version and execute actions on them via RMI. In IDEA I had > no luck starting two IDEA instances from one instance > (http://devnet.jetbrains.com/message/5520017#5520017), so I suspended > that thought for the moment. We actually fire up 4 instances (we could even fire up more). We do not really execute "actions" (ok at least a few) with RMI. Most RMI calls delegates to the SWTBot Framework so we really simulate user input (sorry if you meant this with actions). > Having an "OK it still works" integration test would be really > helpful, but I am a bit intimidated by the setup work this would > require (given the instances issues and the whole hassle of UI tests). > > A lower level where the tests would already make sense would be the > directory creation / file handling level because I am having issues > there at the moment. If you want to use headless tests make sure IDEA is not using SWING. The CI Server is running without a display (for good reasons). > > Regards, > Holger > >> Kind regards, >> Graham >> >> >> >> >> On 21 July 2014 11:24, Stefan Rossbach <srossb...@arcor.de >> <mailto:srossb...@arcor.de>> wrote: >> >> I would suggest a similar framework like SWTBot for AWT(Swing) >> applications which can be accessed with RMI >> as we do with our STF. >> >> >> On 21.07.2014 11 <tel:21.07.2014%2011>:28, Holger Schmeisky wrote: >> >> Hi Graham, >> >> I am very glad to hear from you! >> >> Franz already told me about you and I read your quite >> enthusiastic blog >> post about Saros for Eclipse and how it compares to other >> solutions :-) >> >> There probably will be too much churn in the development branch >> for it >> be a good base for collaboration. I think it is a better idea to >> wait >> with that until a runnable version is in the master branch, so >> you can >> branch from there and develop from a clean state. >> >> The next biggest impediment is, that there are no automated >> tests for >> the development version and it has to be tested manually -- we >> should >> fix that rather early I'd say. >> >> I'm working on that at the moment, but experiencing problems. Is >> anybody >> here who has experience testing IDEA IntelliJ plugins? :-) >> >> Regards, >> Holger >> >> >> Holger Schmeisky; holge...@fu-berlin.de >> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de> >> Takustraße 9, Room 008, Freie Universität Berlin, 14195 Berlin >> +49 176 64146306 <tel:%2B49%20176%2064146306> >> >> Am 18.07.2014 20:23, schrieb Graham Allan: >> >> Hi Holger, >> >> Great to hear! >> >> I work for a company based in London, from my home in >> Scotland. Saros >> has been a big part of our development process for over 18 >> months now, >> and myself and my team are very keen to see the IntelliJ >> plugin. I've >> already contributed the ant build script for the Saros-I >> project and am >> eager to do more. >> >> Would you recommend checking out the current code or will >> there be so >> much churn in that area that we may as well wait? >> >> Kind regards and have a great weekend, >> Graham >> >> >> On 16 July 2014 13:43, Holger Schmeisky >> <holge...@fu-berlin.de <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de> >> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de >> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de>>__> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> my name is Holger and I am a colleague of Franz, >> currently working at FU >> Berlin on the development of Saros for JetBrains IDEA >> (IntelliJ, >> PyCharm, PhpStorm, ...). >> >> An IDEA version is under way and there is already a >> halfway-usable >> development version (in the development/raimondas2 >> branch). It already >> has the basic features like project sharing, editing, >> follow mode, etc. >> However this version still misses a lot, is without >> automated tests and >> has only partially been merged into the master branch. >> >> In about 2-3 weeks, the code will be in a shape where >> other people can >> actually develop on it. I think it already makes sense >> to get in touch >> before, to get to know the codebase and our >> development process. >> >> So if you are interested in joining Saros/I >> development, please contact >> me or write here, so I can get to know you and get an >> overview how much >> interest there is :-) >> >> Regards, >> Holger >> >> >> >> -- >> Holger Schmeisky; holge...@fu-berlin.de >> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de >> <mailto:holge...@fu-berlin.de>> >> Takustraße 9, Room 008, Freie Universität Berlin, >> 14195 Berlin >> +49 176 64146306 <tel:%2B49%20176%2064146306> >> <tel:%2B49%20176%2064146306> >> >> >> ------------------------------__------------------------------__------------------ >> Want fast and easy access to all the code in your >> enterprise? Index and >> search up to 200,000 lines of code with a free copy of >> Black Duck >> Code Sight - the same software that powers the world's >> largest code >> search on Ohloh, the Black Duck Open Hub! 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