Those numbers are better than anything in Rob Sherwoods website!  Interestingly
  enough one of the Collins 75S3B he tested had -145. Yes more than likely
  with tube you don't have the phase noise, which could make a big difference! 
My Drake
  TR4C sounds much more pleasant and clearer than my TS-850S, just wish the
  drake had the close in dynamic range that my TS-850S does. ( 2 khz)
   
  73,
   
  Bill  N4ZI

Ken Bessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
      .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  {  
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }    I just built an Elecraft XG-2 test 
generator. For those
who don't know the model, it's a high accuracy
(output level -107dbm +/-1db) 80/40/20 meter RF
generator. I've used it in the past to determine the
Minimum Discernable Signal or noise floor of a reciever.
 
Here are some of the past results I've gotten:
 
Elecraft K2 #4913             -143dbm
Kenwood TS-850SAT         -136dbm
Yaesu FT-920                  -137dbm
 
Now to the good stuff - my recently aquired TR4:
 
20m:  -147dbm
40m:  -152dbm
80m:  -151dbm
 
To measure this I injected the generator's -107dbm
(1 microvolt) signal and measured it's peak then
measured the noise next to the carrier and did a 
little math. I also measured the same spot with the
generator on and off.
 
My numbers might be off because I could not turn
off my AGC but to correct for this I made measurements
at many differant "RCVR GAIN" settings on the TR-4 and
averaged them out. I found that with the gain set to
anything less than 11 o'clock, there was no AGC action.
 
I used "Rocky", a SDR program that shows the spectrum
around a signal like a pan adapter. I also ran the tests
witn "Spectrogram", a spectrum analyzer and got very
close to the same numbers. Another impression is by
my ears - the -107dbm signal seemed to be easiest to
pick out of the noise on the TR4 than the other rigs.
 
BTW the 50 microvolt setting produced a S9 signal
on all three bands.
 
The main reason I wanted to test the MDS of my TR4
is the fact that the reciever is sooooo quiet that I got
the impression that it was deaf or broken.....
 
Deaf? NOT! 
 
I've only been a Drake owner for 5 days but I'm quickly
becoming a fan!

73's de Ken KG0WX - Kadiddlehopper #11808,
           Flying Pigs #-1055, Grid EM17io

  
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