In data mercoledì 11 marzo 2009 16:43:25, Tim Soderstrom ha scritto: : > Thought I'd take this off list to avoid getting too off topic. Bottom > posted: > > On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Francesco Riosa wrote: > > In data mercoledì 11 marzo 2009 15:07:20, Tim Soderstrom ha scritto: > > : > On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Brian Moon wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I don't think you should. Again, Drizzle is an alpha level product > >>>> if I > >>>> am not mistaken so support existing distros may not make a lot of > >>>> sense, > >>>> because by the time Drizzle is ready for prime-time, GCC 4.2 may > >>>> already > >>>> be available. Besides, if you can still distribute binary packages > >>>> for > >>>> various distros that were built with GCC 4.2, I would really call > >>>> this > >>>> small potatoes. > >>> > >>> In my mind, the point of build bots is to ensure that Drizzle will > >>> compile on platform X for user Y without much trouble. I agree that > >>> we are still in alpha with Drizzle. I have other stuff masked on > >>> Gentoo that I need to do my job, so it is not that big of a deal for > >>> me to mask gcc. I was just not sure if my thoughts about the > >>> purpose of the build bots matched the communities thoughts. Sounds > >>> like Monty wants to be as compatible with as many distros, as they > >>> are, as possible. > >> > >> <off-topic> > >> I'm sure you do :) I'd be willing to bet MySQL 5.1 is one such masked > >> package (that or a custom ebuild). Gentoo's handling of MySQL in > >> general (recall the uber stupid symlink disaster of 5.0 or the lack > >> of > >> a recent 5.1 being available) was the catalyst in me opting to switch > >> my own servers to Ubuntu. Been happy ever since. Gentoo has SOO much > >> potential but it's all for nothing if people aren't rowing in the > >> same > >> direction. They have no good leadership or visionaries (didn't their > >> former cult leader leave to go work for Microsoft?). Kinda makes me > >> sad really because I used to be a huge Gentoo fanboy. Many of the > >> ideas, on paper, are really awesome. How they are being deployed in > >> practice is another story. Gentoo basically needs their own > >> Shuttleworth. If they had someone like him, it'd be a force to be > >> reckoned with. > >> </off-topic> > > > > I was the only active maintainer for MySQL in Gentoo that time, so > > the whole > > disaster is my fault. Trying to have multiple versions of MySQL on > > the same > > system, managed by only one package manager was stupid. > > > > Hopefully, I did also something useful, the eclass used is still > > mostly mine, > > and, with my retiring the managment is gone back to the more > > conservative and > > skilled Robin J. returning to a _much_ safer state. > > Well, it was a good idea in theory. The problem was that it broke > existing installs. To be fair, it was a beta level package if I > remember correctly so, in all fairness, I should have expected bumps. > That said, I'm generally a strict one-instance-of-MySQL-per-machine > kinda person :) > > The eclass system is actually fairly nice. I'll admit I had a hard > time understand what was going on having never messed with ebuilds > before, but I was able to build 5.1.30 using the same basic eclass in > a few hours. I was pretty surprised it worked that well! It is a bit > rough around the edges but certainly got the job done and was far > better than having to do a strictly source-based installation.
And now you would be able to do the same for 5.1.32 in minutes, provided that there are no failing tests > > In fact, that's one reason I'm bitter about Gentoo. I don't understand > why no one is pushing up updates to 5.1 in the main tree - 5.1.21 is > still available in portage yet it is very easy to build a new ebuild > for 5.1. I tried to get my ebuild pushed through, but there's an open > bug on the issue already which says people are working on it and do > not seem to be accepting ebuilds for it. *shrug* I'm a bit out of beta testing of MySQL right now but my opinion about the motivations that keep 5.1 out of tree essentially is that 5.1 as is suck, and suck badly. Not too much time ago I've tried partitioning, even deleting rows was malfunctioning. Not to mention the incompatible changes between maintenaince version. To underline this situation the bug point to the blog of Monty W. that explain the shortcomings of 5.1.30 GA As you noted if you are brave enough to stay with 5.1 (I do) it's a matter of rename a file and few other stuff to have mysql builded and installed. For me the time needed to re-test all the application using MySQL is two order of magnitude (well more 1.5) bigger than the rename/compile/install stuff. Oh and of course every time I _do_ get surprises. > What really bums me out is how much potential Gentoo has. My busted- > assed Athlon-XP based server was able to run circles around some > Opteron rackmount gear. A part big of that was because I was using s > source-based installation (and also was using the somewhat dangerous > MPM-worker model). I'm a huge fan of source-based distributions and, > in fact, I wish other systems offered better support for it. Seems > like it would be easy to bolt-on source-based compilation to 'apt' or > 'yum' since all the pieces are there. Could only nod here. > > Ultimately, I think all my irritations with Gentoo can be summed up by > the fact that they just need better leaders to steer the ship. > Development seems so random and out of focus on Gentoo and I think > that is really hurting the quality of the distribution. *sigh* Oh > well. If they can fix some of my grievances you can bet I'll likely be > moving back. For now, though, Ubuntu seems to be very solid for what I > need it for. Yep I do agree with you in part at least here, but the fact is that 99,8% of the problems are little and easy to catch before production. Having a number of identical servers help a lot, having only one server with gentoo is a total waste of time. Francesco
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