No its not, and I suspect most people are bored with the ranting and raving in this thread. With ill informed opinions on Icoms range of expensive junk repeaters to social care for the elderly. None of it useful and hardly relevant in the context of this group. Whilst I respect peoples personal views, some of this stuff has a "bitter and twisted" taste about it, and does not make for interesting reading or make any positive contribution to the subject matter of the group.
Dex. M0TMX 2010/1/20 Francis Miele <[email protected]> > > > is this really dstar related???? > > -- > > Fran > > > > > <http://www.miele-family.com/weather> > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, John Hays <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> While I have strong opinions about personal rights and society's needs, >> particularly as relates to both HOAs and the way this country provides >> healthcare -- this topic should be moved off list. >> >> (And what is being proposed in the US is not Socialized medicine, the UK >> has socialized medicine, read government owned and operated -- we are about >> the only developed country that doesn't provide universal healthcare and >> there are a lot of models, not just the socialized medicine of the UK which >> the insurance companies have used as their boogie man. See >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_healthcare to see the various >> approaches -- if you want to discuss off list, please email me directly.) >> >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 3:16 PM, David Holman wrote: >> >> >> Hey Barry, >> >> Actually they did. The first freedom they took was your freedom of >> choice. And in some areas, its not a choice of living in an HOA >> controlled commune or not, its a choice of which one is worse, which is no >> choice. If you don't want to live in a commune, you have to move >> ridiculously far away (like here). We chose the school district. To live >> in the school district, we have to live in an HOA controlled commune. I >> didn't choose to join the HOA, I chose the house. HOAs are NOT voluntary >> membership organizations. The HOA was forced on me. They didn't give me a >> choice about whether or not I wanted to join. They took my freedom of >> choice. And until everyone starts to see it this way, we will continue to >> loose our rights daily. It is NOT OK, customary, normal or acceptable to >> take individual rights and freedoms, for any reason outside of the fact that >> a person has proven they can't handle them. You moved into a non-commune >> area, but you didn't give up any rights. You don't have the right to tell >> your neighbor anything about how to run his life, in the first place. If >> it is not health or safety related or somehow interacts with you, you have >> no right to force any your beliefs on your neighbor (what is pretty or >> aesthetically pleasing is a belief). If you are afraid of your neighbors, I >> would suggest moving into an apartment where the property owner does have >> the right to tell the residents what they can and can't do on his property. >> Become friends with the property owner. >> >> 73 >> >> David, AC7DS >> >> ___ >> >> >> John D. Hays >> Amateur Radio Station K7VE <http://k7ve.org> >> PO Box 1223 >> Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 >> VOIP/SIP: [email protected] >> Email: [email protected] >> >> > >
