Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. .
   
  I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though 
mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from 
anywhere in Europe.  Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be 
Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that 
ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is 
asking for (say) "Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY", but listening through the QSX 
spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still 
shouting away.  OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, 
but surely most simply aren't listening.
   
  Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom 
stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately:  whistling, 
keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc.  It's just comical.
  
I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a 
DXpedition.  Perhaps patience is a lost art.  Perhaps self discipline is a lost 
art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost 
art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise 
neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other.  
Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to 
idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results 
of this failure are making their way across society.
   
  Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even 
worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that 
doesn't excuse what went on yesterday.
   
  I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of 
the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - 
though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter.  That was 
particularly pronounced with N8S.  I'd also agree that an expedition should 
give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at 
the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there 
would probably have been bedlam.
   
  Dave G0OIL
   
  
Peter Dougherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
>
>I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever 
>-- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is 
>fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!.
>
>Shame on the world's hams!!

I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and 
the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard 
anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any 
worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say.

I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' 
attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, 
Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least 
one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so 
if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much 
better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely 
get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, 
these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency.

On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA 
for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day 
long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not 
too worried. Yet .

I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a 
while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the 
clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of "since you are 
so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours," and hold to it.



Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT 




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