> Now, was it TI9KKs fault? How should she have controlled the 
> pileup? Should she have just qrted? Shoild she have gone 
> split, if she knew how?

Yes, all of the above.  First: split, second: tune,  third: QSY. 

The group has no business putting an inexperienced operator on 
such large pile-ups without having a more experienced operator 
setting along side to help out.  Inexperienced operators belong 
on low rate bands (e.g., 10 meters, 6 meters) at the end of an 
operation not on prime bands the first day of an operation - if 
they belong on an operation of this size in the first place. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Duane, WV2B
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [DX-CHAT] Pileup control
> 
> 
> 
> As expected, I have been getting a few responses saying "the 
> DX Op must control the pileup".
> OK, guys, explain this to me?
> DX- QRZ?
> WP3?, KD8??, N1???, W4AMP, = 300 more
> DX- Whiskey four Alpha Mike? 59
> WP3?, KD8??, N1???, Whiskey Four Alpha Mike papa, you're also 
> 59, KE4???, =100 more
> DX- Was that Whiskey Four Alpha Papa?
> Whiskey Papa, Whiskey Papa, Whiskey Papa, Whiskey P, Whiskey 
> Papa, Whiskey Papa, KD8??, N1???, KE4??? =100 more, negative 
> it is Whiskey four Alpha Mike Papa, Whiskey four Alpha Mike Papa.
> DX- Was that Whiskey four Alpha Mike Papa?
> Whiskey papa, Whiskey Papa, Whiskey Papa, Whiskey papa, 
> Whiskey Papa, Whiskey papa, roger roger Whiskey four Alpha 
> Mike Papa, KD8??, KE4???,N1???, = 100 more.
> DX- QRZ.
> That was a transcription of an actial qso, you can copnfirm 
> with W4AMP if you would like, other calls left incomplete to 
> protect he guilty. W4AMP was left not knowing if he was in 
> the log correct, TI9KK was left not knowing if she had it 
> correct, but moved on out of desperation, and that's how 
> every contact went.
> Now, was it TI9KKs fault? How should she have controlled the 
> pileup? Should she have just qrted? Shoild she have gone 
> split, if she knew how?
> Here's another suggestion- Why can't the DXer have some 
> miniscule partical of self-control? If it's not for you, why 
> is it immpossible to stand by? If repeating your partial or 
> call over and over again isn't working why continue? Is it 
> the DXers fault for not maintaining control and keeping a 
> good rate, or is it the pileup's fault for not listening? 
> Should something extraordinary be required to force all 
> stations not W4AMP to stand by, or should they have the 
> brains all on their own to understand if they allow the DX to 
> work W4AMP quickly she will get to them more quickly, but if 
> they make it take 4 minutes to work W4AMP the liklihood of 
> their getting into the log has been seriously diminished?
> I found it interesting to read that some DXpeditons fake a 
> contact to keep the pace, or say a partial they didn't hear 
> and often someone with that partial comes back. 
> Yes, if the DX asks for a specific station, and doesn't 
> follow through that is not a good thing, but if the DX 
> station has persisted for 4 or 5 calls and others refuse to 
> stand by whose fault is it? What option does the DX then have 
> to maintain control. Should they then stop and lecture and 
> scold as if to children? Or what is the solution?
> Also, I don't buy that it is people new to HF. The calls I 
> looked up were long time licensees. Virtually all were 
> extras. One of the best ops {unfortunatley} was aGeneral 
> operating out of his band who had been licensed since 1989 
> {at least when the license was last modified}. So I don't 
> think it can all be blamed on the newcomers.
> 73, Duane
> 
> 
> "The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- 
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
> 
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