>That was a transcription of an actial qso, you can copnfirm with
W4AMP if you would like, other >calls left incomplete to protect he
guilty.

No doubt, no doubt... I heard exactly the same junk on 14205
yesterday, and I'm sure it's going on on 18160 but fortunately I don't
have to listen to it.

However, I think any deviation from a solid

1) Throw out a partial
2) Work them, stick with them
3) *confirm the QSO*
4) QRZ?

pattern is bound to get even those with *some* self restraint riled up
and calling out of turn a bit.

>if the DX station has persisted for 4 or 5 calls and others refuse to
stand by whose fault is it? >What option does the DX then have to
maintain control.

We all need to shut up. There is nothing, ever, ever, ever ,ever that
any DX including TI9KK could do that could possibly excuse not
standing by for completion of a QSO.

However, the overall health of the pileup does have a lot to do with
*hope* vs. *despair*

If you were one of the thousands of #1,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7, #8 or #9 EU
waiting quietly and patiently while TI9KK worked #2 only for half an
hour, and your heart leapt when she went "EU only" and then minutes
later she goes back to *specifically calling* #1 USA, you are not
going to be hopeful that you will get through.

I'm trying to run a clean operation over here.  If I think it's a
nearly impossible QSO I'll just hang it up and wait for a more
favorable shot.

I personally think DXing would be more fun if everyone felt the same
way about that.

But the reality is that there are some folks out there who will be
patient and quiet only up to a point and will break and start QRMing
in their simple desperation to get through...

To focus the discussion, if you've been listening for an hour as the
DX calls #2 for a half hour, takes all callers for a while, then goes
back to #1 after never cycling through the numbers, should you
*really* respect the call for #1's only?

Again, as soon as partial is pulled, every single person who doesn't
have that partial needs to shut up, but I can't say the same for
respecting a call for by-numbers or EU only or NA only  when there's
been no evidence of that actually working for anyone.

Now back to Europe only on 17m, different op.  Let's see how that goes.

73,
Dan


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