There are clear rules that cover this situation. There is no need for yet 
another rule that further devalues the DXCC program to satisfy political 
desires.

Gerry VE6LB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Notarius W3WN 
  To: dx-chat@njdxa.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Re:Kosova


  Pardon me?

  The ARRL is neither for nor against Kosova's independance.  The DXCC desk is 
simply applying the rules as they currently exist.  Unwarranted smears against 
the organization are not going to help matters any, if you're inclined to try 
and change their minds on the matter.

  Funny that you should mention this today.  In today's mail came my card from 
FJ/OH2AM.  Within the letter, besides the usual fillers for The Daily DX and 
NCDXF was a nice, slick, preprinted post card, already addressed to my Division 
Director -- in short, a form letter that all I had to do was sign stamp & drop 
in the mail -- requesting a change in the DXCC rules retroactive to February 
17, which (not coincidentally, I'm sure) would make the operation a few weeks 
back "count."

  This troubles me on several levels.  I don't like it in general when someone, 
even people I know and respect, try to do an end-run around the rules that were 
in place at the time of the operation.  I don't like it when someone tries to 
influence an organization with mass-mailings like this, which sometimes work, 
but sometimes backfire.  

  What I dislike the most, though, are these continued calls for a quick-fix to 
the rules we've had in place for close to 10 years.  Overall, the current DXCC 
rules (while not perfect -- I still disagree about not placing new deleted 
entities on the existing deleted list) are fair, baqlanced, and devoid of many 
of the unintended loopholes that existed in the past.  

  The irony is that the rules originally had a way around the UN / ITU 
recognition.  The existance of an IARU society.  Now, I always thought that 
rule was simply a way to make certain that a few entities (Hong Kong and Macao 
specifically) to stay on the list after their political situation changed.  But 
it has been pointed out to me, by someone who was very involved in the drafting 
and updating of the rules, that this was also intended to be used to cover 
political situations similar to Kosova.

  [Why did the rule get dropped?  Do an internet search on the original Swain's 
expedition.  I can't say more about that, or the rule that replaced it (which 
did get Swain's put on the list after all) without revealing some of my 
sources; I should not speak for them or put them further on the spot.]

  Bottom line is that the rules of unintended consequences have led to this 
situation.

  Yet, in all of the clamor to add Kosova to the list, no one seems to be able 
to suggest HOW to do it, in a fair way.  Just THAT it should (or shouldn't) be 
done.

  Rather than try to put pressure on the DXCC desk, directly or indirectly 
through the ARRL board, why don't we draft a proposed rule that WILL cover this 
and similar situations.  

  And if this rule can't be applied retroactively?  Well, that's the risks a 
DXpedition trying to be "first from a new one" takes.  Just like the first 
group to Swain's, or Scarborogh, or others.  Them's the breaks.

  73, ron w3wn
    -----Original Message-----
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL 
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    Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:06 AM
    To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
    Subject: [DX-CHAT] Re:Kosova


    China, Russia, ARRL against. Free world in favor. Whose the patsies guys.
    David W1GDQ

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