With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry
to say.
We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is taking.
Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing
them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do
that
any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I
downloaded
and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a
learning curve
but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with
DX4WIN
five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be
happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see
such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome.
Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334.
Paul,,,,,SELL THE COMPANY.
Respectfully,
john / n4dsp
of
On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote:
All,
We have FINALLY heard from Paul....that is a good thing....and it
sounds like he has a portion of our wish list.
A few comments though....
1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into
DX4WIN?
2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should
be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the
FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard
back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for
months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his
personal move....yes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN
handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or
changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issue....as do
others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't
been reciprocal.
3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSL....incorporating
easy interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for
DX4WIN. Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking.
4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users
access it routinely.
Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been
some severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a
more positive, productive track.
However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your
loyal, paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be
some indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported
and improved.
Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number
of other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without
finite information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational
vacuum. Paul, incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to
be a win/win situation. We look forward for more information as to the
direction and future of DX4WIN.
73
Lou N2TU
On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote:
Amen!
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Well said, Paul !
73!
Ken Kopp - K0PP
[email protected]
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk
<[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion!
We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief:
1. I read the reflector
2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so!
3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when
LoTW had
problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation
between
DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and
support
time afterwards?
4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ
info, but
also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for
commercial reasons. Have to rethink that.
5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file
because
it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if
YOU
have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much
better
chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio.
(There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my
shack!)
6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to
describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for
me is
that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio.
7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you
select
the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
possible override). How may users have multiple rotators?
8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not
indicate when / how to do this.
Happy New Year!
--Paul, KK4HD
PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this
reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time
things
are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM <[email protected]> wrote:
I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of
DX4WIN!
I
have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing
DX4WIN
over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever
changing
to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History.
With
that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad
feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has
deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other.
I think my biggest frustration & disappointment in regard to DX4win
was
best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said:
" The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the
author
of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would
like to hear his opinion, even it is something like "dx4win is my last
priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years"(I hope
not saying it)..."
There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action,
BUT in
my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his
customers!
He owes us that!
My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near
the
top.
Still Hoping!
73
Bill N4NX
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Dietrich" <[email protected]>
To: "DX4WIN Reflector" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM
Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
To: Ernie <[email protected]>
Ernie and Group,
I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software
offered by Larry N8LP....You can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything
else you want to linked to your rig....it works great...
The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'....Hi
Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along
with an
update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!,
sorry, editorial comment!)
Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under
Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This
was
reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor
controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map
Screen
or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs,
MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration...
DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software.
Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just
flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it
wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this
archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why
AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by
Paul.
We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to
another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and
hope someone will get this platform back on the track.
Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this
topic
forward.
73/ Regards....
Lou N2TU
On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote:
Important to me:
1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my
rig at the same time.
2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself
3. Easy way to add mode names myself
Ernie W8EH
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