Hi to All and Peter, Peter hit it right-on the button .. I need the DXbase users thoughts on this, since possibly not all of the users would be doing it the same way as Peter is.
Tnx Peter! 73 Joe WA6AXE Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all. > > Yesterday I became aware of a problem regarding the DXCC application > submission module -- or more specifically, the QSO FORM, as it pertains > to submitting a hybrid LoTW/paper QSL DXCC award. If you don't use LoTW, > this topic will be of no consequence to you (feel free to hit delete if > that's the case!) > > In OUTPUT, AWARDS, DXCC , you have the choice (in the lower-left) of > selecting Cards Only, LoTW Only or Both. This scenario *only* applies to > those who select BOTH, which should affect *everyone* who uses LoTW. > > If you have BOTH selected and you compute a DXCC award submission, > (don't forget to say NO to the long question you'll be asked after > pressing COMPUTE, or you'll be up the creek for your next real > submission!) the problem is with the QSO FORM. > > Since you're using BOTH LoTW and paper QSL cards for your application, > the QSO form will naturally show all DXCC records confirmed by either > method. No problem, right? > > BIG problem, as it turns out. When you take this form and your cards to > a DXCC card checker, they will kick back any application with > "extraneous" information on it. Our club just had its application > rejected with a strongly-worded note from Bill Moore because both LoTW > and paper QSL records were on the QSO form that we submitted to a card > checker at a hamfest. We were told in no uncertain terms that the only > entries that should be on the QSO form are paper QSLs that are being > submitted for checking. If you're submitting to Newington directly, you > don't need this form. If you're getting your application field-checked > you DO. > > The question then became how to show only paper cards on this QSO FORM > yet have DX Base process Logbook of the World QSL records as "accepted > for credit" with that submission. > > Joe, WA6AXE has developed a work-around for this that does the trick, > but he has a functionality query to put to the users here on the > reflector. (Joe, please jump into this thread if I've mis-interpreted > your query)... > > From Joe: > >> I will need to make a Selection >> pull-down (Choices) -- that would give the OPTIONS of (for example): >> >> Hybrid Submission -> BOTH = LoTW >> Regular Submission -> BOTH = CARD >> >> >> I see the NEED to be able to let the user decide whether "ALL" of the >> BOTH category of QSOs are to be handled as a HYBRID submission >> (therefore, the BOTH is the same thing as LoTW) - and in this case >> SUPPRESS all of the BOTH and LoTW QSO's ...OR... >> >> ALL of the BOTH category of QSOs are to be handled as a regular >> submission and count as if they were CARD --- with LoTW ONLY being >> suppressed in this case.. > > > Since I was the one experiencing the original problem I agreed to post > the question here. From my vantage point, I let LoTW hits trump > everything and I always initiate a DXCC submission via the ARRL's LoTW > Website. I select all LoTW hits from there, then whatever's left over, I > pull the paper cards out of the boxes and put them together according to > the order set in the QSO FORM report. Since I keep DX Base in sync with > LoTW (I regularly download my LoTW matches and put them into DX Base), > DX Base knows what's confirmed via LoTW, paper and both. > > The question then becomes how do others do DXCC submissions with DX > Base? If you don't use LoTW, I guess all this is irrelevant. If you DO > use LoTW, do you want records confirmed both ways to show up on the QSO > Form that goes to the League? Would you rather use paper cards for those > QSOs or LoTW hits? > > Again, my thinking -- and that of Bill Moore at the ARRL, is that > nothing should be on that form except paper QSL records, but do some of > you prefer to use a hard-card for this type of submission instead of a > Logbook of the World record? > > I'd suggest replying to the reflector or directly to Joe, since he's > actually doing the heavy lifting on this problem (with > MUCHO-THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!). > > Joe will likely release the solution to this on his site once he gets > your input, etc. > > Again, Joe, please chime in if I got your request wrong. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter, > W2IRT > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 00:40:02 2007 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Harlem W1EBI) Date: Fri Jun 15 00:44:40 2007 Subject: [Dxbase] DXCC submission form problem and opinions needed In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peter's method may be more complex than necessary. I have been on LoTW since the start. When submitting to DXCC (I always have cards field-checked) I select "cards only" for the DXbase submission form. While my field-checked card application--with the LoTW box checked "yes"--is enroute to HQ, I query the LoTW Awards summary. Using the list of LoTW QSL's not yet awarded, I cross reference to the card submission and uncheck any dupes, then do an online application for all the LoTW QSL's not already covered by paper cards. HQ processes the field-check application along with the online LoTW application. Not a problem. George W1EBI -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Glockner Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Dxbase] DXCC submission form problem and opinions needed Hi to All and Peter, Peter hit it right-on the button .. I need the DXbase users thoughts on this, since possibly not all of the users would be doing it the same way as Peter is. Tnx Peter! 73 Joe WA6AXE Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi all. > > Yesterday I became aware of a problem regarding the DXCC application > submission module -- or more specifically, the QSO FORM, as it pertains > to submitting a hybrid LoTW/paper QSL DXCC award. If you don't use LoTW, > this topic will be of no consequence to you (feel free to hit delete if > that's the case!) > > In OUTPUT, AWARDS, DXCC , you have the choice (in the lower-left) of > selecting Cards Only, LoTW Only or Both. This scenario *only* applies to > those who select BOTH, which should affect *everyone* who uses LoTW. > > If you have BOTH selected and you compute a DXCC award submission, > (don't forget to say NO to the long question you'll be asked after > pressing COMPUTE, or you'll be up the creek for your next real > submission!) the problem is with the QSO FORM. > > Since you're using BOTH LoTW and paper QSL cards for your application, > the QSO form will naturally show all DXCC records confirmed by either > method. No problem, right? > > BIG problem, as it turns out. When you take this form and your cards to > a DXCC card checker, they will kick back any application with > "extraneous" information on it. Our club just had its application > rejected with a strongly-worded note from Bill Moore because both LoTW > and paper QSL records were on the QSO form that we submitted to a card > checker at a hamfest. We were told in no uncertain terms that the only > entries that should be on the QSO form are paper QSLs that are being > submitted for checking. If you're submitting to Newington directly, you > don't need this form. If you're getting your application field-checked > you DO. > > The question then became how to show only paper cards on this QSO FORM > yet have DX Base process Logbook of the World QSL records as "accepted > for credit" with that submission. > > Joe, WA6AXE has developed a work-around for this that does the trick, > but he has a functionality query to put to the users here on the > reflector. (Joe, please jump into this thread if I've mis-interpreted > your query)... > > From Joe: > >> I will need to make a Selection >> pull-down (Choices) -- that would give the OPTIONS of (for example): >> >> Hybrid Submission -> BOTH = LoTW >> Regular Submission -> BOTH = CARD >> >> >> I see the NEED to be able to let the user decide whether "ALL" of the >> BOTH category of QSOs are to be handled as a HYBRID submission >> (therefore, the BOTH is the same thing as LoTW) - and in this case >> SUPPRESS all of the BOTH and LoTW QSO's ...OR... >> >> ALL of the BOTH category of QSOs are to be handled as a regular >> submission and count as if they were CARD --- with LoTW ONLY being >> suppressed in this case.. > > > Since I was the one experiencing the original problem I agreed to post > the question here. From my vantage point, I let LoTW hits trump > everything and I always initiate a DXCC submission via the ARRL's LoTW > Website. I select all LoTW hits from there, then whatever's left over, I > pull the paper cards out of the boxes and put them together according to > the order set in the QSO FORM report. Since I keep DX Base in sync with > LoTW (I regularly download my LoTW matches and put them into DX Base), > DX Base knows what's confirmed via LoTW, paper and both. > > The question then becomes how do others do DXCC submissions with DX > Base? If you don't use LoTW, I guess all this is irrelevant. If you DO > use LoTW, do you want records confirmed both ways to show up on the QSO > Form that goes to the League? Would you rather use paper cards for those > QSOs or LoTW hits? > > Again, my thinking -- and that of Bill Moore at the ARRL, is that > nothing should be on that form except paper QSL records, but do some of > you prefer to use a hard-card for this type of submission instead of a > Logbook of the World record? > > I'd suggest replying to the reflector or directly to Joe, since he's > actually doing the heavy lifting on this problem (with > MUCHO-THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!). > > Joe will likely release the solution to this on his site once he gets > your input, etc. > > Again, Joe, please chime in if I got your request wrong. > > > > Cheers, > > Peter, > W2IRT > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > > ______________________________________________________________ Dxbase mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected]
