I feel I must agree with Mr. Pelham.
On 12/21/10 10:10 AM, "John Pelham" <[email protected]> wrote: > Neal, > > So many opinions on one side of this issue, so I too have to weigh in. Way > back in 2002, and then again in 2003, I said this on this reflector: > > " I would like DXbase windows to work like Macromedia Dreamweaver or Adobe > Photoshop or Microsoft Visual Basic. That is, I want all the windows that > make up the program to float on my screen with my desktop underneath, and > not need to stay inside the main DXbase window. In this scenario the main > DX base window would just be a menu bar." > > When DXbase for Windows first came out I was annoyed at all the space wasted > by each window having its own full size title bar, and the fiddly difficulty > of arranging the windows I wanted on-screen most efficiently inside a > rectangular space, and having to go through that process each time I > upgraded the software and each time I upgraded my PC and each time I needed > to reinstall from scratch for whatever reason. > > Thinking about this issue again, I realize: Why would it be necessary to > choose one approach over another? The logging program CommCat allows the > user to select whether he wants windows to float or to be constrained inside > the main window. (Unfortunately it doesn't allow this choice for all the > program's windows, just some.) Adobe Photoshop allows most of its windows to > be placed anywhere on the monitor (or multiple monitors) and it remembers > everything - all window positions, docking selections, etc. So, it's > possible to "pretend" that all the windows must go inside the main window > just by making the main window big, and putting all the child windows > inside. You don't ever have to know that you can have floating windows if > you don't want to. > > I'm tired of looking at a user interface that looks like it was designed for > Windows 3.1. The newer UIs and functionalities don't just look pretty, they > work better too. > > 73, > John, W1JA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert > Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 9:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Dxbase] [DxBase] DxBase Desk Top Concept > > I dont usually jump into the pile with my opinion, but going to have to > side with Rick and Ron, the current type screen system for DXbase is one of > the reasons I use it, I have many other logging programs and while several > do as well as DXbase none have the screen features that I prefer, so if it > changes to "floating" which I also hate then there is > no longer incentive to stay with DXbase, too many > others for free. (that I dont like either) > 73 Merv K9FD / KH7C >> Neal, >> >> I agree with Rick's email below. The screen system Jack developed is >> a major feature of DxBase; one I would consider a major requirement >> and feature of DxBase. I have to work with software at work with >> floating screens, and hate it. It's a major selling point of DxBase for > me. >> >> >> Ron / NU1U >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Rick Kourey >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:45 PM >> To: Neal Campbell >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [Dxbase] DXBase Desk Top Concept >> >> Neal, >> >> I am unable to visualize the screens you have proposed in your last email. >> But one of the things a number of us has liked about DXBase 2007 is >> its simpe GUI with all information being shown in different panes that >> come together in one large desk top pane that fits on screen. Please, >> please don' t change this concept and have floating screens on top of >> each other that fit nowhere. >> >> I encourage you to continue to use the concept that Jack developed and >> that is having the user select additional informational panes that are >> listed under the "DX Info" screen (i.e. spots, messages, grey line >> etc.). You could add to this existing list and then place another >> choice of panes under the "QSL Info" screen. >> >> The point is everything really fits on the desk top and nothing is >> really floating unless the user wants it this way. I have other log >> programs where the screens do not fit totally on the desk top and they >> float. I will not use these log programs since the floating screens >> often hide other pertinent data and all I seem to do is move the >> screens around so I can see the data I want. >> >> Unfortunately if you have not designed the next generation screen set, >> what I think I am reading in your comments is you are not very far >> along with its feature design or programming. >> >> Rick Kourey (K4KL) >> Marvin/Charlotte, NC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi guys >> >> Sri abt the absence on the list, my computer business is having one >> heck of a final kick this month and I have been 7 S 12 for the last 3 > weeks. >> >> I can tell you that you will know when a beta test phase is imminent >> (and its not). While there is a lot from the Updater that was snagged >> from the beta, you could tell how slowly I turned the Updater around >> so its obvious I am one incredibly slow programmer. What I thought >> would take 1-2 weeks took >> 2 months (for stealing time away from my business). Thats a factor of >> four in case you missed my estimation talent. >> >> I should not have put a deadline before and I won't make the mistake > again. >> >> >> I will take the suggestion of the gentlemen who ruffled my feathers a >> few months ago, however, and publish some pictures of the user >> interface for comment. There are 3 different philosophies on how the >> UI can look. One is to merely break out the current scheme which limits > the information 'panes' >> to residing within the overall program window. So, total floatable >> windows on the desktop. Second is to make it look similar to, say, >> DM780 from Ham Radio Deluxe's package where its one big window but the >> panes are collapse-able and pin-able and usage of tabs for large displays. >> Additionally, this approach lets you re-arrange the one big window to >> see which panes you like in which side/corner of the window. The third >> is a task/menu approach similar to the latest Microsoft Office. No >> 'ribbon' but the tabbed menu approach. I have been doing a lot of work >> with Access 2010 and can tell you I really like the way it looks and > feels. >> >> Its hard to visualize these (its hard to describe them) so a few >> pictures will help to judge your reactions. >> >> So, no new dates but hopefully a bit more transparency into my progress. >> >> 73 >> Neal Campbell >> Abroham Neal Software >> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com >> (540) 645 5394 >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Dxbase mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
