I also agree with mr pelham. Paul - n1pd
On Dec 21, 2010, at 10:14 AM, MICHAEL ANASCAVAGE wrote: > I feel I must agree with Mr. Pelham. > > > On 12/21/10 10:10 AM, "John Pelham" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Neal, >> >> So many opinions on one side of this issue, so I too have to weigh in. Way >> back in 2002, and then again in 2003, I said this on this reflector: >> >> " I would like DXbase windows to work like Macromedia Dreamweaver or Adobe >> Photoshop or Microsoft Visual Basic. That is, I want all the windows that >> make up the program to float on my screen with my desktop underneath, and >> not need to stay inside the main DXbase window. In this scenario the main >> DX base window would just be a menu bar." >> >> When DXbase for Windows first came out I was annoyed at all the space wasted >> by each window having its own full size title bar, and the fiddly difficulty >> of arranging the windows I wanted on-screen most efficiently inside a >> rectangular space, and having to go through that process each time I >> upgraded the software and each time I upgraded my PC and each time I needed >> to reinstall from scratch for whatever reason. >> >> Thinking about this issue again, I realize: Why would it be necessary to >> choose one approach over another? The logging program CommCat allows the >> user to select whether he wants windows to float or to be constrained inside >> the main window. (Unfortunately it doesn't allow this choice for all the >> program's windows, just some.) Adobe Photoshop allows most of its windows to >> be placed anywhere on the monitor (or multiple monitors) and it remembers >> everything - all window positions, docking selections, etc. So, it's >> possible to "pretend" that all the windows must go inside the main window >> just by making the main window big, and putting all the child windows >> inside. You don't ever have to know that you can have floating windows if >> you don't want to. >> >> I'm tired of looking at a user interface that looks like it was designed for >> Windows 3.1. The newer UIs and functionalities don't just look pretty, they >> work better too. >> >> 73, >> John, W1JA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Merv Schweigert >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 9:00 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Dxbase] [DxBase] DxBase Desk Top Concept >> >> I dont usually jump into the pile with my opinion, but going to have to >> side with Rick and Ron, the current type screen system for DXbase is one of >> the reasons I use it, I have many other logging programs and while several >> do as well as DXbase none have the screen features that I prefer, so if it >> changes to "floating" which I also hate then there is >> no longer incentive to stay with DXbase, too many >> others for free. (that I dont like either) >> 73 Merv K9FD / KH7C >>> Neal, >>> >>> I agree with Rick's email below. The screen system Jack developed is >>> a major feature of DxBase; one I would consider a major requirement >>> and feature of DxBase. I have to work with software at work with >>> floating screens, and hate it. It's a major selling point of DxBase for >> me. >>> >>> >>> Ron / NU1U >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of Rick Kourey >>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 11:45 PM >>> To: Neal Campbell >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Dxbase] DXBase Desk Top Concept >>> >>> Neal, >>> >>> I am unable to visualize the screens you have proposed in your last email. >>> But one of the things a number of us has liked about DXBase 2007 is >>> its simpe GUI with all information being shown in different panes that >>> come together in one large desk top pane that fits on screen. Please, >>> please don' t change this concept and have floating screens on top of >>> each other that fit nowhere. >>> >>> I encourage you to continue to use the concept that Jack developed and >>> that is having the user select additional informational panes that are >>> listed under the "DX Info" screen (i.e. spots, messages, grey line >>> etc.). You could add to this existing list and then place another >>> choice of panes under the "QSL Info" screen. >>> >>> The point is everything really fits on the desk top and nothing is >>> really floating unless the user wants it this way. I have other log >>> programs where the screens do not fit totally on the desk top and they >>> float. I will not use these log programs since the floating screens >>> often hide other pertinent data and all I seem to do is move the >>> screens around so I can see the data I want. >>> >>> Unfortunately if you have not designed the next generation screen set, >>> what I think I am reading in your comments is you are not very far >>> along with its feature design or programming. >>> >>> Rick Kourey (K4KL) >>> Marvin/Charlotte, NC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> Sri abt the absence on the list, my computer business is having one >>> heck of a final kick this month and I have been 7 S 12 for the last 3 >> weeks. >>> >>> I can tell you that you will know when a beta test phase is imminent >>> (and its not). While there is a lot from the Updater that was snagged >>> from the beta, you could tell how slowly I turned the Updater around >>> so its obvious I am one incredibly slow programmer. What I thought >>> would take 1-2 weeks took >>> 2 months (for stealing time away from my business). Thats a factor of >>> four in case you missed my estimation talent. >>> >>> I should not have put a deadline before and I won't make the mistake >> again. >>> >>> >>> I will take the suggestion of the gentlemen who ruffled my feathers a >>> few months ago, however, and publish some pictures of the user >>> interface for comment. There are 3 different philosophies on how the >>> UI can look. One is to merely break out the current scheme which limits >> the information 'panes' >>> to residing within the overall program window. So, total floatable >>> windows on the desktop. Second is to make it look similar to, say, >>> DM780 from Ham Radio Deluxe's package where its one big window but the >>> panes are collapse-able and pin-able and usage of tabs for large displays. >>> Additionally, this approach lets you re-arrange the one big window to >>> see which panes you like in which side/corner of the window. The third >>> is a task/menu approach similar to the latest Microsoft Office. No >>> 'ribbon' but the tabbed menu approach. I have been doing a lot of work >>> with Access 2010 and can tell you I really like the way it looks and >> feels. >>> >>> Its hard to visualize these (its hard to describe them) so a few >>> pictures will help to judge your reactions. >>> >>> So, no new dates but hopefully a bit more transparency into my progress. >>> >>> 73 >>> Neal Campbell >>> Abroham Neal Software >>> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com >>> (540) 645 5394 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Dxbase mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Dxbase mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Dxbase mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[email protected] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Dxbase mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[email protected] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Dxbase mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dxbase Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[email protected] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
