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-----Original Message-----
From: Glencannon Group Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Destiny Worldwide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; e-gold Discussion
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer you
might not noitice
>I generally don't like to talk bad about people, but this fellow is full of
>shit. I never spoke ill of whoever "Destiny Worldwide" is and I have no
>particular problems with their system as I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
>Now a little less than a month I asked if people would be interested in
>this, and I would put it together. This is waht I have done. I don't
>appreciate the tone of this message, but I will let people judge for
>themselves. I do not claim that this is ANONYMOUS, and I do not claim it
is
>a high security vehicle. If that is what you want and need, contact me and
>I'll give you some advice. I do not advise the use of ANONYMOUS accounts
as
>most of these are run by crooks who either run off with the funds inthe
Excuse me, this is issued by the largest bank in thier jurisdiction. If
you can start calling people names, then so can I. I think, though, if
people will compare your pitiful little website with ours they will see a
big difference. We have spent money and time to develop ours, along with a
functional database, etc. Yours ....
>accounts, or get caught because they are breaking the laws in the
>jurisdiction in which they operate. But the fact is that this asshole has
>chosen to promote his product, which may be very fine, by attacking mine
>with false and misleading comments. I will address these pissant comments
>below:
I will answer your points below. I have not attacked anything, just pointed
out the facts. Sorry if this hurts your sales. And since our card is
issued by the LARGEST BANK in their jurisdiction, what's the problem? YOU
ARE THE GUY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY A COMPANY CARD THAT BY CONTRACT
BELONGS TO YOU!
>
>
>On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:41 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote:
>
>> I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but since Glencannon pointed
out
>> what he thought was a problem with our system, let me pount out a couple
>> with his.
>>
>> 1. His website states that he is in Belize, yet he gives an address in
>> Texas to mail the applications. Obviusly, then, the address in Belize
is
>a
>> maildrop. What this means is that when you send yoru documents to him,
>they
>> are sotred onshore, where BB can seize them anytime they want. Your
>> identity is not safe!
>
>The mail drop is in Houston, and documents are forwarded to me wherever I
>may be, Belize, the Dominican Republic, or sometimes Houston. But no
doubt,
Oh, so if there is a problem, don't bother looking for you because you are
on the lam -- er...... on the go all the time. It's is obvious that this is
a one man show. We, on the other hand, are an established company with
offices, employees, etc.......
>there is a possibility of interception. I never claimed this was some kind
>of safe way to do "money launderying." If that is what you need you might
Who said anything about money laundering? That is a viscius ad homanim
argument and a logical fallacy. People can send orders to a place where we
really are. Anyway, there is no proof that this is a maildrop, just your
word. And no one knows if you are really the globetrotter you claim, or
just some guy working in his basement in Houston.
>want to go elsewhere. What I am providing is a convenient way of giving a
>service. Take it or leave it.
Yeah, real conventient. And THEIR CARD IS IN YOUR COMPANY NAME! How
convenient for you!
>
>>
>> 2. Same for the bank. If the bank they are ever using rolls over and
>rats
>> you out, then you are screwed. The only way to prevent this is if the
>bnak
>> does not know who you are.
>>
>
>This is utter Bullshit, but would go for any bank out there. This bank in
>particular is a very safe and sound bank in a very safe and sound
>jurisdiction. I have been doing business with it and others in this
>jurisdiction, and it will no more "rat you out" than the rat who wrote this
>email.
>
that's what people thought with Guardian Trust, too, but if the bank doens't
know who you are, then they CAN'T RAT ON YOU, CAN THEY? Even if the
jurisdiction changes it's laws under OECD or FATF preassure. So, you have
this guy's assurances versus the FACTS!
>
>> 3. What are his fees for the transfers from egold to the card? He does
>not
>> disclose this, but our fees are clearly stated on our website. If you
>are
>> just transferring from egold to the card, then you will look in the
>> passthrough category of our fee shcedule, plus add the wire transfer
>fee,a
>> nd that is it. OUR FEES ARE THE LOWEST I HAVE SEEN FOR THIS ANYWHERE
>> OFFSHORE! So, when you figure this in, even though our card costs more
>up
>> front, it is actually cheaper in the end if you use it very much.
>
>Currently fees are going to be flat rate $20.00 per transaction, minimum
>transaction $1,000.00. Of course this is subject to change. The terms and
>conditions are in the written application, which I did not include in my
>short little email.
>
>
We have no written application. And we will tansfer any amount, with no
minimuym, as long as you are willing to pay for the wire transfer. Then, it
is in YOUR OWN BANK ACCOUNT, not one that belongs to an employee of his
corporation.
>>
>> 4. Don't be fooled. You are categorized as an employee of the company,
>and
>> therefore the company OWNS AND CONTROLS THE CARDS! they can do ANYTHING
>> THEY WANT TO WITH THEM anytime they want and you can't do anything about
>it
>> legally even if they run away with all the money. Our cards belong to
>YOU
>> and are issued directly by the bank, and you can send your funds
yourself
>> direclty to the bank if you desire.
>
>And this is absolute CRAP. Untrue. This is an independent card account.
>The "Company" will have no access to the money in that account once it is
>deposited. It is only designated as an "Employee" account as that is the
>way most employees are paid in this jurisdiction. Any Payee can be
>designated.
>
Once again, we have his good word, folks. Just trust in whatever he says,
relax and let go........... and let go.......
Kisssssssss myyyyyyy gollllllld!
>>
>> There are probably other things I could think of, but for lack of time I
>> will leave it at that. Our card is TOTALLY ANONYMOUS. The bank doesn't
>> even know who you are, so they can never rat you out even if ordered to!
>
>I am very suspicious of TOTALLY ANONYMOUS cards and accounts as almost no
>jurisdiction happily tolerates them. What you POSSIBLY are getting is an
>account with a flaky institution that may be run out of somebodies bedroom.
I hardly think that the largest bank in this jurisdiction, a very good
jurisdiction, is run out of someone's bedroom, like our friend in
Texas........
>That is the way most people get caught. The last time I heard of one of
>these gigs was a Doctor in San Antonio, Texas who was running an "offshore
>bank" out of his house. When the feds hit him, he sang like a bird and
>"ratted" out several hundred innocent clients. Or maybe you are dealing
>with a legitimate bank that has somehow managed to convince the
jurisdiction
>in which it operates that anonymous is ok. There are ways of "becoming"
>anonymous, and that will work better than an "ANONYMOUS" account, unless of
Why is that? Of course, if you want true anyonimity, you will get a second
passport, but that costs more than most people are willing to spend. We do
offer them, but we do not advertise this. It's real interesting how logical
criticism can bring a torrent of hate, personal accusations, inuendo, and
spruious, illogical arguments, isn't it? Maybe he is an IRS agent posing as
an offshore service provider.... It seems like these pigs aren't very
imaginative either, and can't make logical arguments, just attack people. I
DID NOT ATTACK YOU OR CALL YOU NAMES IN MY PREVIOUS EMAIL. YOUR GRATUITOUS
INSULTS HAVE BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELF!
>course you are just a criminal looking to do some quick money laundering.
>But that is another issue.
>
Oh, so now people who want compelte privacy are money luanderers and
criminals? How CONVENIENT for you! There are other banks in htis same
jurisdcition that issue anonymous cards, but to my knowledge, this is the
only one that works internationally. Isn't it funny how this guy knows such
details about Texas. Almost seems like he is still there. JUST SEND IN
YOUR APPLICATION....... go ahead, let go......
It's interesting how he doesn't answer the comments below. I have actually
relocated out of Nazi Land, and am not pretending to be somewhere I am not.
I don't think the same can be said of this guy.
>>
>> Also, we are located OFFSHORE, so we don't have to release your records
>to
>> ANYONE without an order form the local government here, and THEY WILL
NOT
>DO
>> SO WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME IN THIS
COUNTRY!
>> Since you do NOT reside in Costa Rica, it is therefore almost IMPOSSIBLE
>for
>> you to have committed a crime here. It takes a long time to get such a
>> court order in this country anyway, so you are much safer dealing with
us
>> than with someone operating out of Texas in the Nazi States of America,
>> where they can break down their door anytime they want on mere
SUSPICION.
>>
>> Check out our site and see for yourself. Sure, our card is more
expesive
>up
>> front, but the value and savings are realized as you use it!
>>
>> John
>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
>> we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
>> deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
>> ((((((((((((((((((((((((+))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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