And I bet your dad is bigger than my dad too. Again, Best of luck.
On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:37:56 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote:
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glencannon Group Ltd. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Destiny Worldwide <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; e-gold Discussion
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Problems with Glencannon's debit card offer
you
> might not noitice
>
>
> >I generally don't like to talk bad about people, but this fellow is full
of
> >shit. I never spoke ill of whoever "Destiny Worldwide" is and I have no
> >particular problems with their system as I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
> >Now a little less than a month I asked if people would be interested in
> >this, and I would put it together. This is waht I have done. I don't
> >appreciate the tone of this message, but I will let people judge for
> >themselves. I do not claim that this is ANONYMOUS, and I do not claim
it
> is
> >a high security vehicle. If that is what you want and need, contact me
and
> >I'll give you some advice. I do not advise the use of ANONYMOUS
accounts
> as
> >most of these are run by crooks who either run off with the funds inthe
>
>
> Excuse me, this is issued by the largest bank in thier jurisdiction. If
> you can start calling people names, then so can I. I think, though, if
> people will compare your pitiful little website with ours they will see a
> big difference. We have spent money and time to develop ours, along with
a
> functional database, etc. Yours ....
>
> >accounts, or get caught because they are breaking the laws in the
> >jurisdiction in which they operate. But the fact is that this asshole
has
> >chosen to promote his product, which may be very fine, by attacking mine
> >with false and misleading comments. I will address these pissant
comments
> >below:
>
>
> I will answer your points below. I have not attacked anything, just
pointed
> out the facts. Sorry if this hurts your sales. And since our card is
> issued by the LARGEST BANK in their jurisdiction, what's the problem?
YOU
> ARE THE GUY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY A COMPANY CARD THAT BY CONTRACT
> BELONGS TO YOU!
>
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:05:41 -0600, Destiny Worldwide wrote:
> >
> >> I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but since Glencannon pointed
> out
> >> what he thought was a problem with our system, let me pount out a
couple
> >> with his.
> >>
> >> 1. His website states that he is in Belize, yet he gives an address
in
> >> Texas to mail the applications. Obviusly, then, the address in
Belize
> is
> >a
> >> maildrop. What this means is that when you send yoru documents to
him,
> >they
> >> are sotred onshore, where BB can seize them anytime they want. Your
> >> identity is not safe!
> >
> >The mail drop is in Houston, and documents are forwarded to me wherever
I
> >may be, Belize, the Dominican Republic, or sometimes Houston. But no
> doubt,
>
>
> Oh, so if there is a problem, don't bother looking for you because you
are
> on the lam -- er...... on the go all the time. It's is obvious that this
is
> a one man show. We, on the other hand, are an established company with
> offices, employees, etc.......
>
> >there is a possibility of interception. I never claimed this was some
kind
> >of safe way to do "money launderying." If that is what you need you
might
>
>
> Who said anything about money laundering? That is a viscius ad homanim
> argument and a logical fallacy. People can send orders to a place where
we
> really are. Anyway, there is no proof that this is a maildrop, just your
> word. And no one knows if you are really the globetrotter you claim, or
> just some guy working in his basement in Houston.
>
> >want to go elsewhere. What I am providing is a convenient way of giving
a
> >service. Take it or leave it.
>
>
> Yeah, real conventient. And THEIR CARD IS IN YOUR COMPANY NAME! How
> convenient for you!
>
> >
> >>
> >> 2. Same for the bank. If the bank they are ever using rolls over
and
> >rats
> >> you out, then you are screwed. The only way to prevent this is if
the
> >bnak
> >> does not know who you are.
> >>
> >
> >This is utter Bullshit, but would go for any bank out there. This bank
in
> >particular is a very safe and sound bank in a very safe and sound
> >jurisdiction. I have been doing business with it and others in this
> >jurisdiction, and it will no more "rat you out" than the rat who wrote
this
> >email.
> >
>
> that's what people thought with Guardian Trust, too, but if the bank
doens't
> know who you are, then they CAN'T RAT ON YOU, CAN THEY? Even if the
> jurisdiction changes it's laws under OECD or FATF preassure. So, you
have
> this guy's assurances versus the FACTS!
>
> >
> >> 3. What are his fees for the transfers from egold to the card? He
does
> >not
> >> disclose this, but our fees are clearly stated on our website. If
you
> >are
> >> just transferring from egold to the card, then you will look in the
> >> passthrough category of our fee shcedule, plus add the wire transfer
> >fee,a
> >> nd that is it. OUR FEES ARE THE LOWEST I HAVE SEEN FOR THIS ANYWHERE
> >> OFFSHORE! So, when you figure this in, even though our card costs
more
> >up
> >> front, it is actually cheaper in the end if you use it very much.
> >
> >Currently fees are going to be flat rate $20.00 per transaction, minimum
> >transaction $1,000.00. Of course this is subject to change. The terms
and
> >conditions are in the written application, which I did not include in my
> >short little email.
> >
> >
> We have no written application. And we will tansfer any amount, with no
> minimuym, as long as you are willing to pay for the wire transfer. Then,
it
> is in YOUR OWN BANK ACCOUNT, not one that belongs to an employee of his
> corporation.
>
> >>
> >> 4. Don't be fooled. You are categorized as an employee of the
company,
> >and
> >> therefore the company OWNS AND CONTROLS THE CARDS! they can do
ANYTHING
> >> THEY WANT TO WITH THEM anytime they want and you can't do anything
about
> >it
> >> legally even if they run away with all the money. Our cards belong
to
> >YOU
> >> and are issued directly by the bank, and you can send your funds
> yourself
> >> direclty to the bank if you desire.
> >
> >And this is absolute CRAP. Untrue. This is an independent card
account.
> >The "Company" will have no access to the money in that account once it
is
> >deposited. It is only designated as an "Employee" account as that is
the
> >way most employees are paid in this jurisdiction. Any Payee can be
> >designated.
> >
>
>
> Once again, we have his good word, folks. Just trust in whatever he
says,
> relax and let go........... and let go.......
>
> Kisssssssss myyyyyyy gollllllld!
> >>
> >> There are probably other things I could think of, but for lack of
time I
> >> will leave it at that. Our card is TOTALLY ANONYMOUS. The bank
doesn't
> >> even know who you are, so they can never rat you out even if ordered
to!
> >
> >I am very suspicious of TOTALLY ANONYMOUS cards and accounts as almost
no
> >jurisdiction happily tolerates them. What you POSSIBLY are getting is
an
> >account with a flaky institution that may be run out of somebodies
bedroom.
>
>
> I hardly think that the largest bank in this jurisdiction, a very good
> jurisdiction, is run out of someone's bedroom, like our friend in
> Texas........
>
>
> >That is the way most people get caught. The last time I heard of one of
> >these gigs was a Doctor in San Antonio, Texas who was running an
"offshore
> >bank" out of his house. When the feds hit him, he sang like a bird and
> >"ratted" out several hundred innocent clients. Or maybe you are dealing
> >with a legitimate bank that has somehow managed to convince the
> jurisdiction
> >in which it operates that anonymous is ok. There are ways of "becoming"
> >anonymous, and that will work better than an "ANONYMOUS" account, unless
of
>
>
> Why is that? Of course, if you want true anyonimity, you will get a
second
> passport, but that costs more than most people are willing to spend. We
do
> offer them, but we do not advertise this. It's real interesting how
logical
> criticism can bring a torrent of hate, personal accusations, inuendo, and
> spruious, illogical arguments, isn't it? Maybe he is an IRS agent posing
as
> an offshore service provider.... It seems like these pigs aren't very
> imaginative either, and can't make logical arguments, just attack people.
I
> DID NOT ATTACK YOU OR CALL YOU NAMES IN MY PREVIOUS EMAIL. YOUR
GRATUITOUS
> INSULTS HAVE BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELF!
>
> >course you are just a criminal looking to do some quick money
laundering.
> >But that is another issue.
> >
> Oh, so now people who want compelte privacy are money luanderers and
> criminals? How CONVENIENT for you! There are other banks in htis same
> jurisdcition that issue anonymous cards, but to my knowledge, this is the
> only one that works internationally. Isn't it funny how this guy knows
such
> details about Texas. Almost seems like he is still there. JUST SEND IN
> YOUR APPLICATION....... go ahead, let go......
>
> It's interesting how he doesn't answer the comments below. I have
actually
> relocated out of Nazi Land, and am not pretending to be somewhere I am
not.
> I don't think the same can be said of this guy.
> >>
> >> Also, we are located OFFSHORE, so we don't have to release your
records
> >to
> >> ANYONE without an order form the local government here, and THEY WILL
> NOT
> >DO
> >> SO WITHOUT HARD EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME IN THIS
> COUNTRY!
> >> Since you do NOT reside in Costa Rica, it is therefore almost
IMPOSSIBLE
> >for
> >> you to have committed a crime here. It takes a long time to get
such a
> >> court order in this country anyway, so you are much safer dealing
with
> us
> >> than with someone operating out of Texas in the Nazi States of
America,
> >> where they can break down their door anytime they want on mere
> SUSPICION.
> >>
> >> Check out our site and see for yourself. Sure, our card is more
> expesive
> >up
> >> front, but the value and savings are realized as you use it!
> >>
> >> John
> >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and
> >> we now have web based banking, opening of accounts,
> >> deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com
> >> ((((((((((((((((((((((((+))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>
>
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