Tycho is also in incubation (they also want to avoid the additional release work) and AFAIK this has not prevented customers to adapt Tycho.
One thing we should do for Mars is to get integrated into the Mars update site, this seems possible, see my inquiry to cross about that. 2014-07-30 13:51 GMT+02:00 Olivier Prouvost <[email protected]>: > > Hi, > > Being an incubation project does not really exclude to produce a 1.0 > release… SWTBot is a 2.2.1 and is developed as an incubation project… So > having a e4 tools 1.0 is possible... > > I think that creating a new project will not really change the result.. > But changing the way to work on it probably… > > As Lars said, we work on this project on our spare time. This is the life > of this kind of project. No problem about that for me. We try to do our > best to achieve a good product. But even if we do our best, a direction > must be defined more clearly. Today bugs are opened more for personal > reasons (i would like to see this like this) or for urgency, rather than > for global or strategical reasons. May be some bugs could be identified as > ‘strategic' and they would open a discussion about it… We could may be > schedule 2 or 3 strategic bugs per release ? And in our bugzilla queries we > could have them as a common goal besides our personal bugs. > > Something that could be more efficient also, would be to schedule a real > physical meeting during each eclipse con since we are almost all attending. > We could prepare a set of issues to be discussed… Today this kind of > meeting is hold by BOF where the subjects are not really defined and the > BOF itself is organized if we want/think to organize it (during last Econ > US I asked for one but it was not really scheduled). > > As Jonas said, the discussion about the dialogs in model has been done a > year ago, but it must continue to know what we can do with it… The new > discussion could be in one of the issues of this meeting after speaking > about it on mailing list... > > And to finish, integrating E4 stuff in the mars PDE would be probably a > good idea > > Regards > Olivier > > > > Le 30 juil. 2014 à 13:11, Lars Vogel <[email protected]> a écrit : > > About a new e4 tools project? I think that is not necessary, we could > graduate e4 tools also from the existing project. The issue IMHO is that > that we need a new project but that no one does real work on this item at > the moment. > > FYI - I plan to integrate the e4 project wizard for Mars into PDE. > > Best regards, Lars > > > 2014-07-30 11:08 GMT+02:00 Jonas Helming <[email protected]>: > >> Any comments on this? >> >> >> Am 25.07.2014 14:04, schrieb Jonas Helming: >> >> Hi, >> >> The second issue has been discussed a year ago with no result. But I >> agree that having the tools in an incubation state and additionally not in >> the release train is bad for the adoption. As the e4 project is an >> incubation project, it cannot produce 1.0 releases. The options were to >> move them to PDE or the platform, but there was never a conclusion to this. >> I would like to suggest a third solution: create a new e4 tools project. >> This would enable us to graduate the e4 tools easily, keep all existing >> (and interested) comitters and join the release train. >> I would be willing to drive this, if everybody agrees. >> >> Best Regards >> >> Jonas >> >> Am 25.07.2014 13:14, schrieb Olivier Prouvost: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am on holidays and cannot test the new release... >> >> Some remarks anyway : >> >> As tom said, I think the dialogs/windows node is really confusing and >> dialogs are not usable as it is today. It would be really interesting to >> start a new discussion on this topic as soon as possible to find together >> an operational and efficient solution. It should probably not appear as it >> is now in the stable version.. >> >> Another remark concerns the release number .. Are the e4 platform and >> tools always considered as incubation projects ? In this case industry will >> not adopt it easily.. It is really the moment to have a 1.0 e4 tools >> version. I know it is psychological but it is important. >> >> For input parts I don ´t remeber the discussion which led to their >> deprecation. But AFAIK it would be possible to find them by annotation >> analysis (input part is a part having a method @Persist) ? This could be a >> new api on partservice to get them ? >> >> Regards >> Olivier >> >> >> Le 25 juil. 2014 à 12:58, Sopot Çela <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> I did some testing and I think we can 'release' this. We can address >> Tom's concerns along the way. I tested also the live editor and did not >> notice any freezing. >> >> Sopot >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Tom Schindl < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The editor currently allows to add dialogs & wizards who are provisional >>> APIs, shouldn't the tooling show this to the user? >>> >>> Same goes for InputPart which is marked as deprecated - although I voted >>> against that deprecation - and should be shown like this! >>> >>> I also just fixed a minor problem with CompositePart part which now >>> allows you to set the title, icon, ... . >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On 23.07.14 18:00, Lars Vogel wrote: >>> > It is not yet solved, but Steven found a workaround. I recently noticed >>> > that keybinding for cut and paste are also not working. I think we need >>> > to fix that least the keybinding thing. I plan to look at that next >>> week >>> > (if no one else fixes it before that). >>> > >>> > Best regards, Lars >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014-07-22 15:59 GMT+02:00 Paul Webster <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>> > >>> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:46 AM, Lars Vogel <[email protected] >>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > I gave the e4 tools a quick test and if I open the "Live model >>> > editor" the IDE freezes (reacts very slowly). Can someone >>> retest? >>> > >>> > Bug report: >>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=439511 >>> > I think we should wait with publishing the tools to the market >>> > place until this is fixed. >>> > >>> > >>> > What's the status of this? It's holding up our 0.16 stable >>> checkpoint. >>> > >>> > Later, >>> > Paul >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Paul Webster >>> > Hi floor. 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