well... first of all if the IntelliJ folks have this mailing list it's because they want to here any interested person's opinion.
secondly please get off your bloody high-horses and stop being so patronising.... and let people express their views. I bet you are the same kind of people who start complaining when a software company doesn't provide as good customer service as IntelliJ and implement what their users ask for. If you want a text editor there's...vi, emacs, textpad, etc. If you want a lean IDEA there's IDEA 2.5 The IntelliJ folks are pretty smart as you all seem to say... then therefore give them the trust to make heads or tails of what people say. Finally if you like IDEA stay with it... if you don't use something else. ITS NOT A BLOODY RELIGION. Florian Hehlen -----Original Message----- From: andreas.bielk Sent: 21 February 2002 14:40 To: eap-features Cc: andreas.bielk Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) +1. Right on the money! I totally agree! --andreas -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: den 21 februari 2002 14:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) +1 to both you and Noah. My rant though is less about minor UI tweaks (which won't harm my productivity one way or another, and might even help), but about huge new featuresets which suck up a lot of development time for fairly minimal gain. The end result is a combination of the following: 1) Bloat: new features that aren't optional, but do have an impact on performance (even if it's smal, they pile up!) 2) Percieved value for money. I like to feel that I get my money's worth out of something I've bought. So if IDEA has 50 features I have no interest in ever using, I'd feel it's less value for money (I'd still be paying for those features, even though I don't use them) 3) Public image! IDEA is the editor for professionals. It's not a java/J2EE/swing learning tool. It's for people who know exactly what they want, and have no fear of going there armed with just a text editor, if need be. Rehashing an old argument, I (and I hope I'm not a dying minority) do NOT want IDEA to be my 'development centre'. I fully expect to use other tools for different tasks, which do the job better than IDEA can. My money's worth in IDEA comes from its specialisation, not generalisation. Hani Scott Curtis wrote: > +1 > > This has been a big worry of mine for a while. If people just learnt how > to code java according to the sun standards life would be so much > easier. For example writing "this." for static members is just bad bad > bad. Thay have no "this"! But then to pester the Intellij team about it > is just scary. And who cares what the icons on the project panel look > like!?! The product is amazing and the icons are so far down a > non-existent list of issues that it stuns me at the amount of wasted > time that goes into discussing it. There are only two ways around these > problems. > > 1) Learn to code properly. > 2) Adapt your bad coding style to the correct way of doing things and > you'll find Idea is actually perfect. If you can't adapt well..... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Noah Nordrum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) > > > +1 > > There have been some good ideas that have come on this > list, but there have been a lot of bad ones. Remember > people, *I WANT TO USE THIS PRODUCT TOO*. I may not > want to use your perticular non-standard idiotic > naming convention that some monkey in your department > came up with because it allowed him to keep his code > looking as similar to > VB/Scheme/C++/Efiel/COBAL/{insert other language here} > as possible so that his pea-sized brain might have a > chance at understanding what is going on. IntelliJ has > delivered a FANTASTIC product in the past, and I'll > bet a lot of money they will continue to develop an > amazing product in the future. Lets just let the team > focus on doing what they do best, writing a kickass > IDE, and spend less time reading inate attempts at > migrating us to your lame coding conventions. > > Noah > > > --- Hani Suleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which leads me onto another rant! I have a somewhat > > odd request, can the > > IDEA team please NOT listen to users so much? I have > > a lot of faith in > > the intelligence and talent of the team, but much, > > much less in the > > users. It feels like (and I hope it's just me being > > crazy) the team is > > taking user suggestions and ideas too seriously, and > > working hard at > > implementing too many of them. Lets hope the > > development of IDEA does > > not become a democracy/mob rule, but remain as it's > > always been, the > > product of a small group of highly talented and > > visionary people. > > > > Hani > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Eap-features mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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