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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Wannamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:35 PM
To: IntelliJ Features
Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant)
+1 From: Mike Wannamaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:35 PM
To: IntelliJ Features
Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant)
What the IntelliJ boys should work on is the OpenAPI so that if someone wants to add things like this, they can do it themselves, and then they could give it to the IntelliJ community and if you want it, use it.
--ekiM
On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 08:46, Joseph Ottinger wrote:
I would add +1 to this myself, but a simple "+1" doesn't begin to indicate
how much I agree.
I've been seeing a lot of stuff about tabs/spaces/unused
methods/deprecated warnings/all kinds of crap that I already get in other
areas of the development cycle. These might be great features if they were
actually things that were important to everyone, but I get the feeling
that these are issues ONLY in the IDEA community, which tells me that
they're not really issues. IDEA is a Java editor, to my thinking. It's an
editor that does Java and related files very, very well. If that's not
what I'm doing... who cares what it does. Tabs and spaces, spaces and
tabs... there are other editors that have a much lower system impact that
do things like this. Use them instead for stuff like that.
It'd be nice to have ways to see if you're using unused methods, I
guess... but as core features? Yuck.
Same for some other features. Let's tune the editor well first, culling
out cruft that really shouldn't be there. Adding lots of requests of
features to cater to specific environments... that's not a good idea, if
you'll pardon the pun.
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Andreas Bielk wrote:
> +1. Right on the money! I totally agree!
>
> --andreas
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman
> Sent: den 21 februari 2002 14:22
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant)
>
>
> +1 to both you and Noah.
>
> My rant though is less about minor UI tweaks (which won't harm my
> productivity one way or another, and might even help), but about huge
> new featuresets which suck up a lot of development time for fairly
> minimal gain. The end result is a combination of the following:
>
> 1) Bloat: new features that aren't optional, but do have an impact on
> performance (even if it's smal, they pile up!)
>
> 2) Percieved value for money. I like to feel that I get my money's worth
>
> out of something I've bought. So if IDEA has 50 features I have no
> interest in ever using, I'd feel it's less value for money (I'd still be
>
> paying for those features, even though I don't use them)
>
> 3) Public image! IDEA is the editor for professionals. It's not a
> java/J2EE/swing learning tool. It's for people who know exactly what
> they want, and have no fear of going there armed with just a text
> editor, if need be.
>
> Rehashing an old argument, I (and I hope I'm not a dying minority) do
> NOT want IDEA to be my 'development centre'. I fully expect to use other
>
> tools for different tasks, which do the job better than IDEA can. My
> money's worth in IDEA comes from its specialisation, not generalisation.
>
> Hani
> Scott Curtis wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > This has been a big worry of mine for a while. If people just learnt
> how
> > to code java according to the sun standards life would be so much
> > easier. For example writing "this." for static members is just bad bad
>
> > bad. Thay have no "this"! But then to pester the Intellij team about
> it
> > is just scary. And who cares what the icons on the project panel look
> > like!?! The product is amazing and the icons are so far down a
> > non-existent list of issues that it stuns me at the amount of wasted
> > time that goes into discussing it. There are only two ways around
> these
> > problems.
> >
> > 1) Learn to code properly.
> > 2) Adapt your bad coding style to the correct way of doing things and
> > you'll find Idea is actually perfect. If you can't adapt well.....
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Noah Nordrum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:46 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant)
> >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > There have been some good ideas that have come on this
> > list, but there have been a lot of bad ones. Remember
> > people, *I WANT TO USE THIS PRODUCT TOO*. I may not
> > want to use your perticular non-standard idiotic
> > naming convention that some monkey in your department
> > came up with because it allowed him to keep his code
> > looking as similar to
> > VB/Scheme/C++/Efiel/COBAL/{insert other language here}
> > as possible so that his pea-sized brain might have a
> > chance at understanding what is going on. IntelliJ has
> > delivered a FANTASTIC product in the past, and I'll
> > bet a lot of money they will continue to develop an
> > amazing product in the future. Lets just let the team
> > focus on doing what they do best, writing a kickass
> > IDE, and spend less time reading inate attempts at
> > migrating us to your lame coding conventions.
> >
> > Noah
> >
> >
> > --- Hani Suleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Which leads me onto another rant! I have a somewhat
> > > odd request, can the
> > > IDEA team please NOT listen to users so much? I have
> > > a lot of faith in
> > > the intelligence and talent of the team, but much,
> > > much less in the
> > > users. It feels like (and I hope it's just me being
> > > crazy) the team is
> > > taking user suggestions and ideas too seriously, and
> > > working hard at
> > > implementing too many of them. Lets hope the
> > > development of IDEA does
> > > not become a democracy/mob rule, but remain as it's
> > > always been, the
> > > product of a small group of highly talented and
> > > visionary people.
> > >
> > > Hani
> > >
> > >
> > >
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