(inline) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > well... > > first of all if the IntelliJ folks have this mailing > list it's because > they want to here any interested person's opinion.
Actually, they primarily made it (AFAIK) to get the feature requests off the eap-list. > > secondly please get off your bloody high-horses and > stop being so > patronising.... and let people express their views. > I bet you are the > same kind of people who start complaining when a > software company > doesn't provide as good customer service as IntelliJ > and implement what > their users ask for. People can express their views all they want. As I read the list, my general impression is that the folks at IntelliJ are getting bullied around by the list because they are still relatively small and "the customer is always right." They seem to be overly accomidating to obviously idiotic requests in the name of good customer service. I will concede some good ideas have come out of eap-features, but they are few and far between requests for bitchy UI tweaks, esoteric coding convention support, and other non-productive requests. > > If you want a text editor there's...vi, emacs, > textpad, etc. > If you want a lean IDEA there's IDEA 2.5 I don't want a text editor to edit Java. I want a Java Editor to edit Java. I don't want a freakin VB-like GUI designer (I already have NetBeans), and I don't want skinable mp3 support (I already have winamp). > > The IntelliJ folks are pretty smart as you all seem > to say... then > therefore give them the trust to make heads or tails > of what people say. I trust them in the decisions that THEY make, not the ones they are bullied into making. > > Finally if you like IDEA stay with it... if you > don't use something > else. ITS NOT A BLOODY RELIGION. I like IDEA, and I don't want to see it get "Apachified" (initially good, now a huge pile of bloated over-extended dog poo). If it does become "Apachified," you bet your ass I'll use something else. Noah > > Florian Hehlen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: andreas.bielk > Sent: 21 February 2002 14:40 > To: eap-features > Cc: andreas.bielk > Subject: RE: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) > > > +1. Right on the money! I totally agree! > > --andreas > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of Hani Suleiman > Sent: den 21 februari 2002 14:22 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) > > > +1 to both you and Noah. > > My rant though is less about minor UI tweaks (which > won't harm my > productivity one way or another, and might even > help), but about huge > new featuresets which suck up a lot of development > time for fairly > minimal gain. The end result is a combination of the > following: > > 1) Bloat: new features that aren't optional, but do > have an impact on > performance (even if it's smal, they pile up!) > > 2) Percieved value for money. I like to feel that I > get my money's worth > > out of something I've bought. So if IDEA has 50 > features I have no > interest in ever using, I'd feel it's less value for > money (I'd still be > > paying for those features, even though I don't use > them) > > 3) Public image! IDEA is the editor for > professionals. It's not a > java/J2EE/swing learning tool. It's for people who > know exactly what > they want, and have no fear of going there armed > with just a text > editor, if need be. > > Rehashing an old argument, I (and I hope I'm not a > dying minority) do > NOT want IDEA to be my 'development centre'. I fully > expect to use other > > tools for different tasks, which do the job better > than IDEA can. My > money's worth in IDEA comes from its specialisation, > not generalisation. > > Hani > Scott Curtis wrote: > > +1 > > > > This has been a big worry of mine for a while. If > people just learnt > how > > to code java according to the sun standards life > would be so much > > easier. For example writing "this." for static > members is just bad bad > > > bad. Thay have no "this"! But then to pester the > Intellij team about > it > > is just scary. And who cares what the icons on the > project panel look > > like!?! The product is amazing and the icons are > so far down a > > non-existent list of issues that it stuns me at > the amount of wasted > > time that goes into discussing it. There are only > two ways around > these > > problems. > > > > 1) Learn to code properly. > > 2) Adapt your bad coding style to the correct way > of doing things and > > you'll find Idea is actually perfect. If you can't > adapt well..... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Noah Nordrum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:46 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Eap-features] Re: (and a rant) > > > > > > +1 > > > > There have been some good ideas that have come on > this > > list, but there have been a lot of bad ones. > Remember > > people, *I WANT TO USE THIS PRODUCT TOO*. I may > not > > want to use your perticular non-standard idiotic > > naming convention that some monkey in your > department > > came up with because it allowed him to keep his > code > > looking as similar to > > VB/Scheme/C++/Efiel/COBAL/{insert other language > here} > > as possible so that his pea-sized brain might have > a > > chance at understanding what is going on. IntelliJ > has > > delivered a FANTASTIC product in the past, and > I'll > > bet a lot of money they will continue to develop > an > > amazing product in the future. Lets just let the > team > > focus on doing what they do best, writing a > kickass > > IDE, and spend less time reading inate attempts at > > migrating us to your lame coding conventions. > > > > Noah > > > > > > --- Hani Suleiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which leads me onto another rant! I have a > somewhat > > > odd request, can the > > > IDEA team please NOT listen to users so much? I > have > > > a lot of faith in > > > the intelligence and talent of the team, but > much, > > > much less in the > > > users. It feels like (and I hope it's just me > being > > > crazy) the team is > > > taking user suggestions and ideas too > seriously, and > > > working hard at > > > implementing too many of them. Lets hope the > > > development of IDEA does > > > not become a democracy/mob rule, but remain as > it's > > > always been, the > > > product of a small group of highly talented and > > > visionary people. > > > > > > Hani > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Eap-features mailing list > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eap-features mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-features
